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Subject: Re: [OM] Too close to home
From: <r.burnette@xxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 3:45:35 -0500
Cc: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Check out More Guns, Less Crime by John R. Lott, a well researched, well 
reasoned argument by someone who began his research in order to defend his 
personal anti-gun convictions. You won't see references to his work quoted by 
any of the gun control crowd.

I'm not saying that gun-owners do not kill people. I'm saying that more often 
than not illegal gun-owners/users are the people doing the killings. Attempting 
to deny legal and law-abiding gun-owners of their right to own and use guns 
because others misuse them, is simply over-reactive and over-kill by those who 
don't own them or use them. 

Considering the fact that an estimated 100,000,000 American citizens currently 
own firearms, where is the evidence of  nationwide out-of-control gun violence 
or epidemics of nation-wide massacres that anti-gun people predict and use as 
grounds for more gun control or for repealing the 2nd amendment? If owning a 
weapon meant that it would be misused, and if most owners misused them, anarchy 
would be the order of the day. 

Drug-related killings are undoubtedly a major concern in the large metropolitan 
areas mentioned in the report you cited. Solve the drug and the gangs problems 
and then revisit the gun violence issue. You would see a drastic drop in 
criminal violence, especially gun violence. But how can you do that when so 
many "up-right" citizens are users and the police do not have local gangs under 
control?

Every senseless killing is deplorable, grievous, and terribly tragic, 
especially so when it involves children. But how much gun violence is directly 
attributable to responsible gun owners? 

How many of those incidents involving children or young people are copy cat 
killings by someone intrigued by the seemingly endless media rehashing of 
previous incidents? How many are spawned from hours and hours of playing 
violent video games in which killing and mayhem are the objects of the game? Do 
repetitive games featuring video mayhem cause people to become inured to the 
idea of killing real people? Psychologists say that our subconscious minds do 
not readily differentiate between repetitive imagination and real activities. 
Does that make real attacks easier to contemplate and execute?

It's interesting that no one caught or cared to respond to my citing the 
53,000,000 unborn babies murdered since Roe V. Wade (1973). How does that 
compare to gun-related killings in the past 40 years? Why haven't we banned 
abortion on demand? No one who has watched a sonogram of an unborn baby 
desperately moving in an attempt to avoid the suction tube ripping it apart it 
by bit can reasonably retain the notion that it is unaware or that it feels no 
pain. Avoidance behavior is a sign of awareness. 

On the other hand, how can we charge someone who kills a pregnant mother with 
double homicide and still maintain the convenient fiction that when it comes to 
abortion a developing baby is not a viable human being until birth and 
therefore the pregnant woman has the option either to kill it or allow it to 
live? (Are we societally schizophrenic or not?) The highest court in our land 
decided that it is a "woman's choice" whether to kill or not kill a living 
human being and there was no public outcry? What kind of a society have we 
become? 

Amazingly, we then wonder why some people decide to kill other people--however 
they choose to do it. As I said before, guns are not the problem. People are 
the problem. We have created a society where many people have no reverence for 
the lives of others. Would banning guns solve this problem? You will never 
convince the survivors and relatives of the Jewish people who experienced the 
holocaust after the Germans had previously disarmed the Jewish population by 
banning guns in Jewish communities.  Couldn't happen here? It did in New 
Orleans after hurricane Katrina. The police and military confiscated every gun 
they could find and left the survivors virtually defenseless in perilous times. 
Frankly, I suspect that the recent rash of gun purchases has a great deal to do 
with the fact that many people have a deep distrust of our government.

As for gun suicides, I wonder what the figures are for non-gun suicides. 
Higher, I suspect. Again. guns are not the problem. Once one has made the 
decision, the method usually falls to the most "convenient" means. Suicide is 
most often a result of severe depression or despair, another result of living 
in a society where reverence for life and others has become a diluted concept. 
Sometimes the decision to kill oneself is made in the hopes of something better 
beyond this life. At other times it is simply a decision to escape a life 
deemed intolerable by ceasing to exist. Of major concern is why are so many 
young people committing suicide.

My point is that our society has far graver problems than gun ownership and 
that we seem to be getting worse that better. Focusing on gun control simply 
diverts attention from other far more serious concerns. (A dysfunctional 
congress, a drug epidemic, high unemployment, a disastrous national debt, 
creeping socialism, etc., etc.)

On the personal level, we have made immorality and narcissism an acceptable way 
of life. To prove that, all one has to do is look at how our entertainment 
offerings have degenerated. We have sown the seed of permissiveness and reaped 
a harvest of immorality. Our personal systems of checks and balances have 
suffered as a result. Where there are no absolutes to guide us, morality 
becomes a choice. As the foolish psychologists of a few years ago taught: I'm 
OK. You're OK. Just do what makes you happy. You see where that gotten us. 
Quite possibly, a majority of our society is not OK; else those who are OK have 
abdicated all responsibility for those who are not. 

Where live is deemed of little value, and personal desires rule, there is 
little resistance to  ending one or more if the mood strikes. The method one 
uses to do that is immaterial. Murders have been with us since Cain killed 
Abel. As I recall, he didn't have access to a gun, but he managed. People 
always have and always will.

Hoping for a future return to societal sanity.

Robert


---- Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> You might want to peruse this data
> 
<http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6230a1.htm>

> A surprise to me was that (for 2009-2010) suicide by firearms (38,126) 
> was much higher than homicide by firearms (22,571).  In fact suicide in 
> the US kills more people that automobile accidents which (IIRC) is about 
> 32,000 annually (which is way down from the more than 50,000 of the late 
> 1960s).
> 
> Chuck Norcutt
> 
> 22,571 firearm homicides and 38,126 firearm suicides

> >
> >> On 14 Dec 2013, at 19:19, Chris Crawford <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Most violent crime (with or without guns) in the USA takes place in large,
> >> heavily policed cities. Rural areas and small towns that have very few
> >> police officers rarely see murders. Fort Wayne, a city of 250,000 has had
> >> nearly 50 murders this year. There are many counties in Indiana that have
> >> not had a murder in decades.
> >>

Probably most of those residents are gun owners.  ;o)


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