http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/18/gun-ownership-gun-deaths-study
Tina
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 3:45 AM, <r.burnette@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Tina:
>
> You know your family best, but your extrapolation to the larger population
> is faulty. Numerous studies have shown that communities where gun ownership
> is legal are actually safer than those where they are banned. Ever compare
> the crime rates of Detroit and New York City with the crime rate in
> Birmingham or Tallahassee? Gun ownership over the past ten years is higher
> than any time since the wild west era, yet FBI statistics show the crime
> rate actually dropping over that period.
>
> Most of the Concealed Weapons Permit carriers are not gun "nuts." (A few
> are!) As a rule, law-Abiding people don't commit crimes. Many CCW or CDW
> holders are people who recognize the inability of police officers to
> prevent most crimes. As a former military policeman and police officer, I
> am all too aware that in the majority of the cases, law enforcement
> personnel usually arrive on the scene after a crime has been committed, as
> in the case of all the recent mass shootings. FYI--the Supreme Court has
> ruled that police have no legal obligation to protect any given individual
> or group. They have a "responsibility to the community" in general. The
> responsibility for personal and family protection is up to the individual.
>
> Are the armed citizen's that trouble you making something out of nothing,
> or do they have reason to be alarmed? Anyone who does not recognize that
> the moral underpinnings and subsequent moral behaviors of our citizens have
> taken a drastic turn for the worse in the past 25 years or so has been
> living under a rock somewhere. Even the rural communities are no longer
> totally safe from violent crimes (often drug-related). Any society that
> could murder 53,000,000+ unborn children since Roe V. Wade has lost both
> reverence and respect for life. Self-centered, immoral attitudes are the
> real root of the gun violence, and all other forms of violence, in our
> nation. We just don't want to acknowledge it.
>
> We need to stop blaming the weapons used to harm people and start
> concentrating more on the morals and the motives that create and propagate
> misuse of them. It is true that guns don't kill people. but people with
> guns kill people. As do people with clubs, knives, stones, automobiles,
> etc. More people are killed with automobiles every year than with guns. Why
> don't we ban automobiles? We need to stop focussing on the means and shift
> our focus to the people committing the violence and the reasons why they do
> so. (Morals and motives.) What fosters such behaviors? Is it our moral
> climate? The media? Our world views? What?
>
> You know the pro-gun arguments. Gun bans effect only law-abiding citizens,
> the ones who would not misuse them anyway. (Most revocations of concealed
> weapons permits are due to domestic disputes and DUIs. Less than 2%
> nationwide commit crimes involving guns.) Every reasonable person knows
> that criminals are not going to comply with a gun ban. They do not obey
> laws. That's why we call them criminals. And gun bans do not eliminate or
> curb criminal behaviors. Look at Australia, Canada, and England for
> example. Their crime rates, including gun violence, increased after their
> gun bans.
>
> My advice to those who don't like or are afraid of gun: Don't buy one or
> own one. Don't attempt to force your biases upon law-abiding citizens who
> hold different opinions.
>
> As for assault-type weapons. We have taught our citizens to use them in
> our military forces. They are familiar with them. In many cases their lives
> have depended upon them. In my day, anyone who wanted a rifle for hunting
> or defense would have bought a bolt-action or an semi-automatic rifle.
> Today many are purchasing what they trained with--an AR-15. Does that mean
> that they have secret plans or ambitions to shoot up their neighborhoods,
> or that they want a weapon that they know and can trust?
>
> Does anyone really need a high capacity magazine for a weapon. Not
> really--until you really need the extra ammunition. Then you need all the
> firepower you can get. That's why so many law enforcement agents now have
> assault-type weapons with high capacity magazines. They are just being
> prepared for a worse case scenario. So are those civilians who purchase
> such--with the fervent hope that they will never have to use them.
>
> As for your bow and arrow--before guns were invented, people killed each
> other with arrows (or hatchets, or knives). As for me, I would never take a
> bow and arrow to a gun fight. ;o)
>
> Just my two cents tossed into the jar.
>
> Robert
>
> ---- Tina Manley <images@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > As a resident of the southern USA, I can say that, as much as I would
> like
> > for that to happen, it will never be. There are too many gun nuts here
> who
> > think that any infringement on the right to bear any arms is violating
> > their rights. Automatic machine guns, multi-shot clips, hand-guns,
> > anything should be allowed and we should all have them to defend
> ourselves.
> > It's too depressing. Every time we visit our relatives in Alabama, I
> say
> > it will be the last time. This is a typical family scene as they pass
> > around loaded guns at the dinner table:
> >
> > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/152934358
> >
> > I don't know what the answer is, but I would just as soon not have any
> guns
> > at all for any reason. If we need to shoot deer, we could use bows and
> > arrows. Do away with guns totally.
> >
> > Tina
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 8:28 PM, John Hudson <OM4T@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > This will be an everlasting problem until such time as the 2nd
> Amendment is
> > > completely done away with !
> > >
> > > jh
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ken Norton" <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:32 PM
> > > Subject: [OM] Too close to home
> > >
> > >
> > > > Today's school shooting was at the high school that my daughters
> would
> > > > have gone to if I didn't come back to Iowa.
> > > >
> > > > Just sayin...
> > > >
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> > > > http://www.zone-10.com
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