More Guns, Less Crime -- by John R. Lott.
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Robert
---- Tina Manley <images@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/18/gun-ownership-gun-deaths-study
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> Tina
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 3:45 AM, <r.burnette@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > Tina:
> >
> > You know your family best, but your extrapolation to the larger population
> > is faulty. Numerous studies have shown that communities where gun ownership
> > is legal are actually safer than those where they are banned. Ever compare
> > the crime rates of Detroit and New York City with the crime rate in
> > Birmingham or Tallahassee? Gun ownership over the past ten years is higher
> > than any time since the wild west era, yet FBI statistics show the crime
> > rate actually dropping over that period.
> >
> > Most of the Concealed Weapons Permit carriers are not gun "nuts." (A few
> > are!) As a rule, law-Abiding people don't commit crimes. Many CCW or CDW
> > holders are people who recognize the inability of police officers to
> > prevent most crimes. As a former military policeman and police officer, I
> > am all too aware that in the majority of the cases, law enforcement
> > personnel usually arrive on the scene after a crime has been committed, as
> > in the case of all the recent mass shootings. FYI--the Supreme Court has
> > ruled that police have no legal obligation to protect any given individual
> > or group. They have a "responsibility to the community" in general. The
> > responsibility for personal and family protection is up to the individual.
> >
> > Are the armed citizen's that trouble you making something out of nothing,
> > or do they have reason to be alarmed? Anyone who does not recognize that
> > the moral underpinnings and subsequent moral behaviors of our citizens have
> > taken a drastic turn for the worse in the past 25 years or so has been
> > living under a rock somewhere. Even the rural communities are no longer
> > totally safe from violent crimes (often drug-related). Any society that
> > could murder 53,000,000+ unborn children since Roe V. Wade has lost both
> > reverence and respect for life. Self-centered, immoral attitudes are the
> > real root of the gun violence, and all other forms of violence, in our
> > nation. We just don't want to acknowledge it.
> >
> > We need to stop blaming the weapons used to harm people and start
> > concentrating more on the morals and the motives that create and propagate
> > misuse of them. It is true that guns don't kill people. but people with
> > guns kill people. As do people with clubs, knives, stones, automobiles,
> > etc. More people are killed with automobiles every year than with guns. Why
> > don't we ban automobiles? We need to stop focussing on the means and shift
> > our focus to the people committing the violence and the reasons why they do
> > so. (Morals and motives.) What fosters such behaviors? Is it our moral
> > climate? The media? Our world views? What?
> >
> > You know the pro-gun arguments. Gun bans effect only law-abiding citizens,
> > the ones who would not misuse them anyway. (Most revocations of concealed
> > weapons permits are due to domestic disputes and DUIs. Less than 2%
> > nationwide commit crimes involving guns.) Every reasonable person knows
> > that criminals are not going to comply with a gun ban. They do not obey
> > laws. That's why we call them criminals. And gun bans do not eliminate or
> > curb criminal behaviors. Look at Australia, Canada, and England for
> > example. Their crime rates, including gun violence, increased after their
> > gun bans.
> >
> > My advice to those who don't like or are afraid of gun: Don't buy one or
> > own one. Don't attempt to force your biases upon law-abiding citizens who
> > hold different opinions.
> >
> > As for assault-type weapons. We have taught our citizens to use them in
> > our military forces. They are familiar with them. In many cases their lives
> > have depended upon them. In my day, anyone who wanted a rifle for hunting
> > or defense would have bought a bolt-action or an semi-automatic rifle.
> > Today many are purchasing what they trained with--an AR-15. Does that mean
> > that they have secret plans or ambitions to shoot up their neighborhoods,
> > or that they want a weapon that they know and can trust?
> >
> > Does anyone really need a high capacity magazine for a weapon. Not
> > really--until you really need the extra ammunition. Then you need all the
> > firepower you can get. That's why so many law enforcement agents now have
> > assault-type weapons with high capacity magazines. They are just being
> > prepared for a worse case scenario. So are those civilians who purchase
> > such--with the fervent hope that they will never have to use them.
> >
> > As for your bow and arrow--before guns were invented, people killed each
> > other with arrows (or hatchets, or knives). As for me, I would never take a
> > bow and arrow to a gun fight. ;o)
> >
> > Just my two cents tossed into the jar.
> >
> > Robert
> >
> > ---- Tina Manley <images@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > As a resident of the southern USA, I can say that, as much as I would
> > like
> > > for that to happen, it will never be. There are too many gun nuts here
> > who
> > > think that any infringement on the right to bear any arms is violating
> > > their rights. Automatic machine guns, multi-shot clips, hand-guns,
> > > anything should be allowed and we should all have them to defend
> > ourselves.
> > > It's too depressing. Every time we visit our relatives in Alabama, I
> > say
> > > it will be the last time. This is a typical family scene as they pass
> > > around loaded guns at the dinner table:
> > >
> > > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/152934358
> > >
> > > I don't know what the answer is, but I would just as soon not have any
> > guns
> > > at all for any reason. If we need to shoot deer, we could use bows and
> > > arrows. Do away with guns totally.
> > >
> > > Tina
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 8:28 PM, John Hudson <OM4T@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This will be an everlasting problem until such time as the 2nd
> > Amendment is
> > > > completely done away with !
> > > >
> > > > jh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ken Norton" <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:32 PM
> > > > Subject: [OM] Too close to home
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Today's school shooting was at the high school that my daughters
> > would
> > > > > have gone to if I didn't come back to Iowa.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just sayin...
> > > > >
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> > > > > Ken Norton
> > > > > ken@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > http://www.zone-10.com
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