I have only a little VW experience. At the time of divorce, my ex wife's VW
had only about 30,000 miles and had served well. My Audi, on the other hand,
at about 60,000 miles became a money pit. And most of the problems can be
laid at the feet of German Engineering, or, "Why use two parts when ten will
do?" And as an owner of two Renaults, not all at the same time, I know that
French cars become despondent on the voyage over, and fail soon after
immigration.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:59 AM
To: Olympus Camera Discussion
Subject: Re: [OM] Need car buying advice
Bill .. why the advice to avoid German or French made cars? I have been
a VW devotee since 1976 and have not once been disappointed.
jh
On 09/10/2012 11:17 PM, Bill Pearce wrote:
> Boris and Natasha,
>
> It's a minefield out there. It is almost certain that you will get
> screwed.
> The fifth is the amount on the invoice that comes with the car, what the
> dealer will show you when he is running one of those "all cars under
> invoice" promotions, where you are expected to believe he loses money on
> every sale. There are many ways that that price is reduced to the dealer,
> 2,
> 4 are some of the ways that the price to the dealer is reduced by the
> manufacturer. I'm not sure what they mean by three, but I believe that
> refers to the fact that the dealer buys his cars on time just like the
> poor
> saps that buy from him. Where you have to borrow money from modern day
> highway robbers, he borrows it from a bank. Where I live, that's called a
> floor plan, and he is indeed a motivated seller when something has been on
> the floor too long.
>
> I would just decide what the car is worth to you, and stand firm. It
> worked
> for me once. Oh, and from sad personal experiences, don't buy German or
> French made cars.
>
> Bill Pearce
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Willie Wonka
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 7:54 PM
> To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [OM] Need car buying advice
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I am buying a new car and had my first test drive today.
>
> Afterwards, I was talking to the salesman and obtained some information
> that
> am almost positive I shouldn't have.. A spreadsheet with these columns:
>
> Net Invoice
> Conditional Advertising
> Floor Line
> Holdback Amount
> Dealer Invoice
> Freight
> Dealer InvoiceW/Freight
> MSPR
> MSPR W/Freight
>
> Can you tell me what do the first five mean and how I could use this
> information in my advantage.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Best
>
> Boris
>
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