The red bag! ;^)
Charlie
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Mike Lazzari <watershed@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Well said Andrew. Here is one data point from the PacNW. FWIW in this
> local area the models generally agree that we won't see much change
> either way.
>
> These photos were taken about 30 years apart from the same peak. See
> anything missing?
> <http://www.interisland.net/watershed/mike/Luna%20compared.jpg>
>
> Mike
>
> > Nonetheless, I'm just writing a study guide for a documentary on
> Kiribati and Tuvalu - they don't a bugger about the science out there, just
> the disappearance of their villages and croplands. Two degrees up and
> they'll cease to exist. They are already in serious trouble.
> > The models are simply attempts to explain what appears to be happening,
> with differing and competing frameworks. All or some of them may be wrong in
> part or entirely. This does not change the observations of a general trend.
> It is 'normal science'. The fact that they disagree is unexceptional - there
> are several competing theories of evolution (Gould vs. Dawkins, for example)
> but I'm not about to throw away the general idea because of it.
> > Climate change scepticism is also a normal social reaction to any major
> shift. Those with a deep conservatism or an agenda will seize on any minor
> inconsistency in the argument and claim that it destroys the entire
> hypothesis. Rarely are their own positions brought under the same blowtorch.
> It is better to adopt a cautious scepticism to specific theories while
> recognising the overall problem.
> > But then, we're human and prefer utterly polarised arguments where we can
> shout at each other pointlessly, so that's not about to happen.
> > Andrew Fildes
>
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