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From: owner-olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of whunter
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 5:25 PM
To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: mp3 was Re: [OM] negative films, minilabs, etc.........
Hey U 2 plumed turkeys.......
The concept of MTF is simple - - not requiring comprehension of the
mathematics........much less media.
MTF, the concept explains all the yin / yang of anecdotal infinity, I
lika dis or dat but ........ It (not U) is very (III**&^%^& KISS - -
- bad boy me) simple. Data is data with inevitable S/N
considerations. We DO LIKE noise albeit in the form of 'harmonics' or
'scatter'. Like and dislike is in the eyes/ears of the beholder. As
PS offers the OM guru - - which U R - - the opportunity to + / -
noise in the form of "sharpness", "soft", etc., so does a 'reverb'
digital harmonic generator offer to the digital world of sound. Before
you clash swords, BELEVE - - MTF rules, whether vinyl or the silver
platter. Fundamentals are S/N. Noise assessment is in the eyes/ears
of the beholder. Believe from the back of a '49 Ford. Kiss and make
up, : ^()...... You are both grrrreat.
Bill
On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 10:48 PM, andrew fildes wrote:
> There's an insult there? Precious.
> And there's no-one here called Andy :)
> Just pointing out that this is a neverending cycle that we're getting
> caught up in. As a teenager I did not live in some magical realm of
> great live music and HiFi vinyl. I lived in a very ordinary world of
> bad garage bands and LoFi Vinyl 45's played on cheap and nasty gear -
> plus big 'transistor' radios picking up pirate radio stations very
> roughly. I was hungry for the music and less than interested in sine
> wave clipping. My brain made the necessary adjustments and allowances.
> The quality was in the experience, not the last percentage of
> perfection. I'm now listening to fine Jazz through a nice Dyna valve
> amp of the same period, ironically - but not vinyl. Too hard. Too
> fragile. Too much time investment for miniscule reward. It's warm
> enough to let me weep at the power of a great voice.
> When young, you are greedy and desperate for life experience and learn
> to savour later. You forgive or enjoy the roughness, the imperfection,
> the fumble. It's also typical to lose something in the maturation
> process. The hunger, the energy, the freshness, the surprise.
> The quality of fast food and fast music now is far beyond anything
> conceivable at that time of mine, regardless of how we might decry
> it's flaws because we've been around long enough to have known better.
> My son just emailed me from London to announced delightedly that he'd
> scored tickets to see the Stones at the Astoria - "an audience of only
> 2000" he crowed. I was able to reply smugly that it was around three
> times the audience (and 10 times the price) of when I first saw them.
> They'll be a lot tighter too now, but will there be the same rush?
> Similar arguments thrash around here on 'sharpness' of various lenses
> discussing powers of resolution beyond the ability of film or the
> human eye to distinguish. But leafing through a copy of August's B&W
> magazine (that's the American beautiful one rather than the British
> useful one or the Australian startling one) and I was first drawn to
> the luminous work of Rocky Schenck, none of whose images could be
> described as being sharp in any way. This person has a vision, not a
> recording device. An image is a 'thing in itself' rather than the
> event it captures. Same goes for music and just about any other
> attempt to 'capture.'
> So, in the absence of a better aesthetic, I'll get some coffee.
> AndrewF
>
>
>
>> That a very poor insult to a statement of settling for less
technology
>> wise.
>> I'm growing weary of being crudely labeled Andy
>> Dan
>>
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>> [mailto:owner-olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of andrew fildes
>> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 3:23 PM
>> To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: mp3 was Re: [OM] negative films, minilabs, etc.........
>>
>>> I think that the real problem with the younger generation is
>>> settling for convenience over quality,
>>
>> Funny - that's what my parents said about me, and their's about them,
>> and....
>> Now, if I can find it here somewhere, I've got a nice quote from
>> Plato grumbling about the shortcomings of the young generation. Are
>> we getting a tad crusty here?
>> AndrewF
>> (and I thought I was a curmudgeon!)
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