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Re: [OM] Scanner profiling with Vuescan and IT8 printed target

Subject: Re: [OM] Scanner profiling with Vuescan and IT8 printed target
From: "Piers Hemy" <piers@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 18:33:08 -0000
It seems that ScanDig in Germany still have Kodachrome targets for sale:

https://www.scandig.com/colour-management/it-8-targets/lasersoft-it8-target-transparency-kodachrome-35mm.html

I am dubious that any could remain in stock for so long, but the price might 
explain why....



Euro 699


Excluding shipping!

Piers

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From: olympus <olympus-bounces+piers.hemy=gmail.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On 
Behalf Of Moose
Sent: 10 February 2020 19:26
To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [OM] Scanner profiling with Vuescan and IT8 printed target

On 2/10/2020 10:22 AM, Piers Hemy wrote:
> I can't help on the specifics, Jez (I might if I could find my own IT-8
> slide from Wolf Faust!) but I have to question the proposition that a
> profile from the reflective scanner will be usable with the transmissive
> scanner - different light sources, no?

Indeed so.

With a contemporary film, it's straightforward. Shoot the printed target in 
midday light, and calibrate from the 
processed film. Yes, its a combination profile of film and scanner, but that 
doesn't matter, as long as you use the same 
scanner.

I did that for the color neg films I was shooting before digital, and the 
results were dramatic, saving lots of post 
processing effort, with better results 
<http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/tech/Scan/VuesProf/>.

One may, of course, do the same thing with contemporary slide films. The 
"Problem" for some is that this way, the 
differences between films are "corrected", so your Velveeta would look like 
your Kodachrome.

To profile the scanner itself, so that differences in films are retained in the 
scans, is a trickier business. You need 
a piece of film with an IT8 profile on it, and the associated data file 
detailing the differences between the film and 
ideal. With a scanner profile made from that, your Velveeta will scan as some 
weird, cheesy, violet tinted thing, like 
the originals.

Both Wolf Faust and SilverFast used to sell IT8 slides on Kodachrome. I know 
the SilverFast ones are long ago sold out. 
I don't know what Wolf is doing about that these days. Like Piers, I have one 
of his KRs somewhere around here. KR was 
the best film for that, with it's high color stability.

OTOH, do you actually know that the default scanner profile that comes with 
VueScan is bad? Or only that it might be?

My desire was the opposite. I wished to scan my KR, EK, Agfa and Fuji slides 
from the past so that they all had the 
same, relatively "correct", colors. Can't be done.

(BTW, apropos WB, I saw a bit of “Expedition With Steve Backshall”, about 
underwater caves in Yucatan,  a couple of days 
ago. I noticed the same WhiBal card that I use dangling from the fancy, 
complex, underwater camera gear.)

Whitey B. Moose

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