Jan, Jan,
You have been trying yto come up with an argumentfor a long time, I can tell.
There is no comparison. A chainsaw is a tool that is controlled and operated by
a person. By your point, I would say that a painting done with a brush is
unsuitable and should only be done with fingers. I own art make by a real
artist with a computer, and have no objection to it, but I know they would only
do what they do by their own hands rather that using automated functions. Hook
it up to a robot and I would call it a different thing. Same thing with Mt.
Rushmore. There are other examples of artists that have assistants that do some
of the heavy lifting, Dale Chihuly for example. And to be honest, I know of
several museum professionals that have problems with that.
I think folks that use prefab actions are just plain lazy, and perhaps not all
that creative. And I don't think the guys with the jackhammers were making fine
tuning adjustments to improve the faces. They were just following orders and
trying to get it done without falling to their death and making a living.
But if you wish to take the lazy mans way out, that's your choice.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Steinman" <Jan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 10:08:25 AM
Subject: Re: [OM] Topaz Studio 2 artistic explorations
> From: Bill Pearce <billpearce@xxxxxxxxxx>
>
> In no way does anything artistic come from a machine.
Then chainsaw sculpture isn't art? It's from a "machine."
How about this, is it "art?" All done by machine.
https://tinyurl.com/Rushmore-Borglum
In this case, it was done by thousands of men with dynamite and jack hammers.
Are they not "machines" of a sort? True, they had an overall blueprint they
were following that was dictated by Borglum, but you don't think any of the
individual "machines" thought, "Hmm, a little bit deeper here will show more
afternoon shadow detail?" Don't you think that, after that job, they each
considered themselves "artists" in some way?
Is not a "Photoshop action" in many ways, "the works of a machine?" Shouldn't
you be using a hex editor on the individual bytes in the TIFF file, instead?
These things are all just tools. I'm willing to say that someone who uses
Photoshop filters is somewhat less of an artist than someone who manages to
achieve the same effect using pigment and brushes, just as an "adorned" Kincaid
print is less of art than a Bateman original. But aren't they both still "art?"
Where do you draw the line?
(Well, I think it's clear where *you* "draw the line," Bill, but can you
appreciate the opposing point-of-view that says it's all a continuum, and that
directing an algorithm to achieve a desired effect is not that much different
from directing a bunch of guys with jack hammers to remove all the rock that
doesn't look "presidential." :-)
Jan
--
_________________________________________________________________
Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus
Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/
Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/
--
_________________________________________________________________
Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus
Archives: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/
Themed Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/
|