I had only read what you posted, Chuck, but now that I have dome as you
suggest, I see that the original text is just as confusing as the extract
you posted! I conclude that the USPS term "Lithium battery" does not extend
to the permitted small lithium and lithium-ion batteries - whatever the
chemistry, lithium metal or lithium-ion, if it fits the "small" definition,
by definition it isn't a "lithium battery".
As to who would know, I can't speak for USPS, but I know that Her Majesty's
Royal Mail asks what a parcel contains when it is handed over for posting,
so that is who would know. I would like to think that staff have fully
grasped what I hadn't grasped (above!) - but I strongly suspect not. And in
case the gatekeeper fails to intercept contraband batteries, parcels are
subject to xray examination, with the dire warning that parcels containing
prohibited items are liable to be destroyed (I hope not by incineration)!
I suppose lithium batteries would be OK if sent in a heavy steel case on a
Boeing Dreamliner?
Piers
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From: olympus
[mailto:olympus-bounces+piers.hemy=gmail.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Chuck Norcutt
Sent: 06 September 2016 00:18
To: Olympus Camera Discussion
Subject: Re: [OM] Battery life in micro 4/3 camera
I do understand the difference between lithium metal and lithium-ion.
If you re-read sections 622.51 (lithium metal), 6.22.52 (lithium-ion)
and 6.22.53 (small cells of both types) you will see that you are
prohibited from labeling any type as a "lithium battery".
Furthermore, if you look at Exhibit 622.5 (immediately following the
sections above) you'll see the title "International Lithium Battery
Mailability". As you'll see in the body of the exhibit, the term
"lithium battery" is clearly used *generically* because the exhibit
covers lithium batteries of all types.
They are all lithium batteries because they contain either metallic
lithium or lithium-ions from a compound of lithium and some other element.
I think my point is still valid. There are various prohibitions or
restrictions against shipping these batteries yet the thing being
prohibited or restricted cannot be externally identified on the package.
I ask again: So who would know? Certainly not the postal service.
Chuck Norcutt
On 9/5/2016 10:27 AM, Piers Hemy wrote:
> Read what you posted, Chuck! When shipping *lithium-ion* batteries, you
are
> specifically disallowed from putting a warning label on the box saying it
> contains *lithium* batteries. Which is understandable, because lithium-ion
> batteries are not lithium batteries, as Mike Lazzari has already pointed
> out.
>
> Piers
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olympus
> [mailto:olympus-bounces+piers.hemy=gmail.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
> Chuck Norcutt
> Sent: 04 September 2016 21:37
> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
> Subject: Re: [OM] Battery life in micro 4/3 camera
>
> According to the USPS regs just updated in August
> <http://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c6_004.htm#ep260739> you may ship 2
> small lithium-ion cells internationally but these cells *must be
> installed in equipment*. I suppose other countries may make it stiffer
> than that.
>
> But you are also specifically disallowed from putting a warning label on
> the box saying it contains lithium batteries. So, who would know?
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
> On 9/4/2016 3:56 PM, Moose wrote:
>> I think the trick is not the regs themselves, but the FUD they engender
>> in sellers. Neither of the eBay sellers of kit with chargers will sell
>> outside the continental US. There is one seller of pairs whose listing
>> doesn't sow the labels, but claims they are Progos - And - does not have
>> NZ on its list of places it won't ship to. But there are no prices
>> listed for overseas shipping.
>>
>
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-x-1600mAh-BLN-1-BLN1-Battery-for-Olympus-OM-D-E-M
> 5-EM5-E-M1-EM1-PEN-E-P5-/121397646871>
>>
>>
>> It seems that Progo is a US/NA only brand? I can't imagine the same
>> things aren't being sold worldwide, but have no idea how to find under
>> what brand name(s).
>>
>> Cathodic Confusion Moose
>>
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