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Subject: Re: [OM] Statins, was Re: Reverse adapter - mount MFT lens on FT?
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:54:53 -0500
It's very difficult to raise or lower your cholesterol even a small 
amount through diet.  Most of it comes from production by your liver 
which raises or lowers production based on your diet.  I chuckle every 
time I hear the commercial... When diet and exercise aren't enough it's 
time for (insert statin of your choice).  They know full well that diet 
and exercise can't do it.  Your doctor should but probably doesn't.

Ufee Ravnskov (Swedish physician and author of "The Cholesterol Myths") 
relates in his book how he once tried to see if he could significantly 
raise his cholesterol through diet.  His experiment was to eat 8 eggs 
per day for (IIRC) about 2 weeks.  His cholesterol levels hardly moved.

Chuck Norcutt


On 2/7/2013 8:26 PM, Bob Whitmire wrote:
> Well, I'm not sure how I can raise my cholesterol without raising my
> weight, too, which has a much more significant contribution to make
> to mortality.
>
> --Bob
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>
>> You could do much worse today than spending a bit of time with Dr.
>> Malcolm Kendrick's blog at <http://drmalcolmkendrick.org/>  You
>> (and especially your doctor) could do well with reading most
>> everything you find there but for you especially you'll want to
>> scroll down a bit to the entry of Sep 25, 2012 titled "Silence was
>> the stern reply".
>>
>> That post discusses the results of a 10 year long Norwegian study
>> covering 50,000 patients titled "Is the use of cholesterol in
>> mortality risk algorithms in clinical guidelines valid? Ten years
>> prospective data from the Norwegian HUNT 2 study"
>>
>> Guess what?  It was not produced by drug company research.  Guess
>> what? That means hardly anyone has ever heard of this study.  But
>> guess what?  It generally shows that the risk of death from all
>> causes (not just (CVD or IHD) is minimized by having high
>> cholesterol.  Imagine that.  Notice especially that the greatest
>> risk for men or women or for all cause mortality or just for CVD or
>> IHD is on the side of low cholesterol.  You don't want to be
>> there.
>>
>> ps: For those in the US who use mg/dl (milligrams per deciliter)
>> the study results are (in European fashion) expressed in units of
>> mmol/L (millimoles/Liter).  The results on the graphs range from <5
>> mmol/L to > 7 mmol/L.  5 mmol/L = 193 mg/dl, 7 mmol/L = 270 mg/dl.
>> The midpoint of 6 mmol/L = 232 mg/dl.
>>
>> ps:  There are a lot more of these kinds of studies out there.  But
>> they don't have drug money behind them and just get no press
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
>> On 2/7/2013 7:54 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote:
>>> My doctor and I have had numerous discussions about statins
>>> because I have Type II diabetes, and some medical authorities
>>> recommend we Type Twoers take statins as a matter of course. So
>>> far I have refused and he has bucked his own superiors'
>>> recommendations because my overall cholesterol hovers in the 155
>>> range, and my good and bad are well below those lines which must
>>> not be crossed. Something's going to get me eventually, but it
>>> won't be cholesterol. (My father expired of a massive heart
>>> attack at age 67 while carrying in his pocket a set of lab
>>> results similar to mine.)
>>>
>>> --Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2013, at 1:57 AM, Chris Barker wrote:
>>>
>>>> You probably know this already, but all my medical students
>>>> (students I teach but who are studying to be doctors) are
>>>> inculcated with the idea that statins are a wonder drug, a
>>>> putative "polypill" that all males over 50 should be taking as
>>>> a matter of course.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder who put that idea about .  .  . ?
>>>
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