The real world does not contain film grain. How can you confuse real
with plastic? :-)
Chuck Norcutt
On 6/12/2012 8:45 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
> Digital looks plastic to me because there is no texture. It's all too
> smooth - like plastic. I am used to seeing grain in photos but I think it
> is more than that. I do love my M8 and M9 cameras and the files from them
> cannot be faulted. There is plenty of detail but I want more. I want the
> texture that divides digital from film. I'm not a film fanatic and would
> never go back to the darkroom - after 30 years, I developed allergies and
> cannot go back. Film photos or digital photos with grain have a 3-D look
> and depth that I just don't see in straight digital files. I take hundreds
> of digital photos of my grandkids and animals and family trips that are
> fine for the family albums but if I'm going to print them or post them to a
> photo site, I will add some grain, usually with a film simulator like
> Exposure 3. The effect is extremely subtle but makes a difference to me.
> I never shoot JPEG!
>
> Tina
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> Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Chuck Norcutt
> <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
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>> I've been wondering my Tina thinks digital looks plastic. From what I
>> recall here she is a firm proponent of shooting raw. But shooting JPEG
>> at higher ISOs and giving you camera license to suppress the noise can
>> certainly lead to featureless images.
>>
>> As to the effects of grain or noise and what it can do to images I
>> remember some years ago seeing some sample images (IIRC) on
>> Luminous-Landscape. A building in the far distance seemed to have
>> shingle detail in its roof. However, the apparent detail was just
>> that... apparent. The "shingles" were actually just noise and shouldn't
>> have been there.
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
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>>
>> On 6/12/2012 7:04 PM, Moose wrote:
>>> On 6/12/2012 6:30 AM, Tina Manley wrote:
>>>> Hi, Moose -
>>>>
>>>> I'll have to admit that I like grain unless it is so coarse as to
>> interfere
>>>> with or dominate the photo. I like what you did with Alejandrina,
>> though.
>>>
>>> Thanks! I wonder what she looks like now, at 13?
>>>
>>>> Noise remover program?
>>>
>>> NeatImage. It was the best for me back when I compared a few. Whether it
>> is now, I have no idea, but still very competent.
>>>
>>>> My main objection to most digital is that it is too plastic looking so I
>>>> usually even add grain to digital - just a tiny bit!
>>>
>>> I can't go that far! Since I mostly shoot things with a lot of detail
>> and/or texture, I don't perceive a lot of plastic
>>> look problems. When I reduce noise, I do try to find a balance between
>> making the noise unobtrusive and avoiding
>>> obscuring detail or over smoothing.
>>>
>>> Quiet Moose
>>>
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