Moose, thank you as ever for the time you take to express, and then
clarify, your thoughts :-) You know we have this tongue-in-cheek thing
going with lens Bokeh, so I have to refer to it (and you) often. I'm
really not very hung-up over it, and I do agree 100000% that large-
format lenses (which I do shoot very regularly) mostly fare much
better. And Mamiya RB67 lenses also.
Glad we share the same "armchair appreciation" of the Cooke PS945. I
am actually kinda saving up for one (will be long-term...). But I've
known for three years that, one day, I will own one. Has a very
special rendition (easily found in older LF lenses) but in a modern
shutter, and possibly the best multicoating known to man (not possible
in older soft-focus lenses).
Keep well!
Dawid
On 14 Mar 2012, at 11:11 AM, Moose wrote:
> On 3/13/2012 12:35 AM, Dawid Loubser wrote:
>>>> http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/072/b/4/water_lily_pond_1_by_philosomatographer-d4sm61s.jpg
>>> Oops, here the bokeh has gone bad, OOF highlights hard edged and
>>> moving to dark centered donuts at the back. A busy,
>>> edgy effect out of sync with what seems to me to be the intent of
>>> the shot.
>> Moose, I have come to the conclusion that you judge bokeh compared to
>> some theoretical lens!
>
> Nope. As in my comments on "No on cares how hard you worked.", I am
> simply viewing the images and noting how they look
> to my eye. I prefer, and have always preferred, classic bokeh, where
> OOF highlights show an Airy disk quality of bright
> center slowly fading from that center to invisibility.
>
> The water lily shot goes so far as to have actual donuts in the far
> right background, like a mirror lens. It's fine if
> you and others like that. I'm just passing on my own feelings about
> the images.
>
>> Come now, you really can't ask for better in a fast, high-
>> performance 90mm lens - every other one I know of will produce a
>> much harsher background in this scenario!
>
> I'm not asking for a lens. I'm commenting on what makes an image
> pleasing to me. If there's no fast, 90 mm lens for FF
> that will do that with this subject, that's OK. I just won't like
> images of the subject from any of them. There are
> innumerable subjects out there.
>
> As I said, the 90/2 did an excellent bokeh job on the first, quite
> nice on the second and passable on the fourth, with
> only small ugly areas that could be fixed in post, and I assume, in
> printing. Lots of fast, modern lenses have bokeh
> issues at specific subject and background distances. The water
> lilies image clearly illustrates this, as it gets worse
> the further back it goes.
>
> My most used lens, a 28-300 zoom, covers the whole gamut from
> beautiful, creamy bokeh to really ugly, depending on many
> factors I haven't got all figured out. If I don't like the results
> in a shot, I either pass it by or work on it in post.
>
>> I give up...
>
> Why? Not everyone has my taste. Bob and others like the bokeh that I
> don't. Make what pleases you. Then if you start
> selling, notice what those willing to part with cash like, and do
> more of that. :-)
>
>> (until I can get a Cooke PS945 for my Linhof, *then* you'll have to
>> agree with every image's bokeh!)
>
> That is a mighty fine lens! So nice that when I look at samples, I
> briefly consider LF. ;-) The combination of detail
> with smoothness is just amazing, although no better than some older
> LF lenses, I guess. A few months ago, I was looking
> at the famous Karsh portrait of Churchill in a huge print, about 5'
> tall, that I could walk right up to. The detail
> retained without any edginess at all was wonderful. I'm not sure
> anything like that can be done on FF.
>
> Okey Bokey Moose
>
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