Tom,
Why not use that nice 35-80/2.8 for this?
Mike V. <><
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Scales" <tscales@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [OM] Re: Sports action inside gymnasiums
> Tris,
>
> Thanks for the comments, but this is my third season shooting in this gym.
> I sit right on the sidelines, so close I have to be sure my feet aren't
over
> the line. I use 800 film, as the 1600 is too grainy. I use the 85/2
> primarily, as a nice compromise. I've used the 100/2 as well, but it is
too
> long. It is not a full-size gym, in fact it is pretty small. The 85/2
> works when action is at the other end, while the 50/1.2 works great when
the
> action is at my end. I have a little room to crop, which is ok, since I
> have a 5500x3500 pixel image to work with.
>
> Tom
>
> > The problem with shots from alongside the court for basketball games
isn't
> > so much "access" as access, in the practical sense. In other words, the
> > rolling stands as a rule come quite close to the play area, plus they're
> > occupied by people who don't want someone in front of them shooting
> > pictures. That was my thinking, anyway.
> >
> > If the kids are at a grade-school facility then there may well be no
> stands
> > to begin with and I don't know how much space between the court and wall
> > (I'd presume). In any event, a 50mm won't give you much reach for that
> sort
> > of action and I'd warmly recommend that you go into a gym and check that
> > aspect of the work out for yourself. An 85mm through 135mm as I stated
is
> > more like what's called for. I used to use a 200mm lens as a rule when I
> > was still in the field, though that was for major (I know that sounds
> > strange within the context, but in Chicago that's exactly what it is
> > nevertheless for many games--hell, it's like that up in Wisconsin)
> > high-school games as my shoot position was as often as not some
distance
> > from the action. From either end area of the gym I'd think the 135mm
would
> > suffice, or shorter telephotos for action within either half-court area.
> >
> > As for speed: you'll need 1600 film or thereabouts (or the equivalent re
> > push) to stop the most furious action while dealing with the bad light.
> For
> > instance, with Tri-X in my camera I always went in figuring the film
would
> > be pushed two stops. Of course that, too, could be better in a gym with
1)
> > windows and 2) games played during daylight hours.
> >
> > My salient point is that a 50mm is all but useless for this work. Sure,
> > you'll have "group shots" of your daughters but nothing likely to jazz
you
> > long term. (Having said that, I often save stuff with my daughter in it
> > that otherwise I'd have consigned to the circular file immediately. A
> > fairly typical condition of doting fathers, I imagine. <g>)
> >
> > Tris
> >
> > >Tris,
> > >
> > >These are just 8 year olds, so I do have side-line access.
> > >
> > >Tom
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Tris Schuler" <tristanjohn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 8:54 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [OM] Oh no, will the Zuikoholic defect?
> > >
> > >
> > > > You might find a use for the 50mm in a gym, though I hardly ever did
> over
> > > > the years. Do keep in mind that with basketball there's no shooting
> along
> > > > the sidelines, only from the stands or from either end of the gym
> under
> > >one
> > > > of the baskets--or worse, from one of auxiliary gyms up stairs which
> > > > usually have wells at either end of the gym for someone to look down
> from.
> > > > In any event, depending on distance the 85mm would serve you I
> suppose,
> > > > better still a 100mm or 135mm if they're available for the Canon
> system.
> > > > I've no idea.
> > > >
> > > > Question: what "mistakes" are there to make with the 50-250? (I
assume
> you
> > > > referred to focus.)
> > > >
> > > > Tris
> > > >
> > > > >All good points, and don't worry, even if I made an investment in
an
> > >'other'
> > > > >system, I'd still be a Zuikoholic at heart. Just sell a few of the
> > >lesser
> > > > >used items and.....
> > > > >
> > > > >I did a little homework, based on Bruce Hamm's posts (come on
people,
> > > > >haven't you played with these things) and came up with this 'sports
> kit':
> > > > >
> > > > >EOS 7E Body - $460
> > > > >75-300 f/4-5.6 Image Stablized EF - $490
> > > > >50/1.4 USM - $365
> > > > >85/1.8 USM - $390
> > > > >
> > > > >Total = $1705
> > > > >
> > > > >Prices new at B&H. E*bay prices are about the same, which seems
> silly.
> > > > >
> > > > >Not a trivial spend, but could be covered by selling some things.
> Seems
> > > > >like the 50 and 80 cover Basketball and the 75-300 covers soccer.
You
> > >can't
> > > > >say they're that expensive, compared to even good used OM. The
Image
> > > > >Stablization combined with Autofocus appeals to the gadget freak in
> me.
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm going to follow Bruce's advice and see if I can rent a setup
for
> one
> > > > >weekend.
> > > > >
> > > > >One thing has me back on the fence. I just got back the rolls shot
> today.
> > > > >The stuff with the 4T/50-250 all came out perfect. With 400 speed
> film,
> > >I
> > > > >was shooting 1/250-1/500 at f/8-f/11, so the depth of field covers
my
> > > > >mistakes.
> > > >
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