Wow, go traveling for a few days and come back to this great discussion. Me on
the sideline learning...
The original question was support for M10 in Capture One 12. If you have a raw
file you would like to me test with Capture One 12 - now 20, let me know.
I wonder if one's workflow of 'a lot of photos' versus 'a few that want extra
treatment' favors LR vs PS. I tend to be very selective with the photos I edit,
so my workflow favors Moose's approach using PS. I have a shortcut key to
Sharpen AI, which has been a real advantage for those slightly blurred images,
or just pulling in the last touches. With all the emphasis in lens reviews on
sharpness, I would like to see post sharpen AI lens comparisons.
I have on my list to explore, when I have time...
Captuer One 12 - Now Capture One 20
Affinity Photo
DxO PhotoLab 3
ON1 Photo RAW 2020
Luminar 4
SAS - WayneS
(Software Acquisition Syndrome)
At 12/6/2019 10:38 PM, Moose and Ken wrote:
>On 12/6/2019 10:30 AM, Ken Norton wrote:
>>Multi-Layered Moose wrote:
>>>As expected, I agree, and disagree.
>>All is right with the world again. :)
>>
>>>Disagree. Yes, plenty of improvements. But, Topaz' new AI series bring
>>>capabilities that are huge steps up from what
>>>PS/LR can do. They are not perfect. They have quirks. But they can do really
>>>amazing stuff nothing else can, as yet, touch.
>>The problem is that it's not even at the 90% rule yet. I can't live
>>there 90% of the time.
>
>Disagree again. There are ongoing updates, getting closer and closer to
>"perfect".
>
>Here's an example, using three of the Topaz AI tools. I previously posted the
>first three images, and was pretty happy with the results.
><http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/tech/TopazAI_Gigapixel/AsianFalcon.htm>
>
>Using Topaz Denoise AI and then a couple doses of Sharpen AI, first using the
>Stabilize option, then the focus option, then a little LCE and Curves gives a
>FAR better result. Then AI Gigapixel does a wonderful job of doubling the size.
>
>This is magic stuff.
>
>>It has become an extremely rare event when I have to leave LR at all.
>>
>>>You knew I would disagree. Because you don't use it, you don't see the
>>>continuing improvements, both in new functions and in improvements in old
>>>ones.
>>Essentially, whatever is being developed for LR is being included in
>>PS whenever possible.
>
>You gonna have to give me examples, 'cause I know nothing. PS has added some
>wonderful improvements in selection tools, which can't have come from LR.
>
>>But the difference is that in LR, it's much more
>>integrated into the workflow whereas with PS, it's a tool that you
>>have to pull out of the toolbox to use. It's the difference between
>>having a well equipped toolbelt vs. a well equipped toolbox.
>
>Well, I gonna claim that the many Actions I have created speed up that process
>a lot.
>
>>
>>>Elucidate, please. I just tried to duplicate something I had done to someone
>>>else's image in PS in LR. Where is the
>>>Levels control - or equivalent? How do I simply move the midpoint of the
>>>histogram, or pull highlights up and.or shadows
>>>down to just kiss the ends? Such a basic capability that I can't believe it
>>>not there.
>>You obviously must not be looking very hard because there are at least
>>three places in LR where you can do just that. And that includes a
>>manipulable histogram,
>
>Ah, OK, I see that. I could use it, although it's awkward for what I want.
>Because it just moves the sliders, the center just moves overall exposure,
>which changes the ends, then I have to (re)adjust the ends, and it takes
>iterations to get right, but I can get where I want. "Stupid easy" in PS. :-)
>
>>curves controls,
>
>I love Curves, but it don't do this.
>
>>as well as sliders for everything.
>
>Wellll . . . not everything. Where's the center point slider that doesn't
>change the end points?
>
>>>Does LR do plug-ins?
>>Yes.
>
>Ah, I see, Plug-ins are "External Editors".
>
>>>I couldn't see that, either. So, if I want to use Topaz Sharpen AI, as I did
>>>on Mike's Pup, I have
>>>to export in TIFF, process in Topaz, save, then open in LR. Oh, that's
>>>right, I can't just open it, I have to import it
>>>first. That's a lot of extra steps and time. In PS, I just start the
>>>plug-in, and get back a new layer with the process
>>>applied. To try and compare the three sharpening options and some settings,
>>>that becomes a nightmare. In PS, I just end
>>>up with a few layers I can turn on an off, so make simple, direct
>>>comparisons. Then, if I want to apply different types
>>>and/or amounts, masks do that in moments.
>>"Layers and Masks" is just one method of image manipulation.
>
>But, it's mine, and, to me, "stupid easy" My Actions mean one click creates a
>new layer, names it and puts me into the tool I want.
>
>Masks are also very precise. The Adjustment Brush in LR is, to me, wildly
>imprecise. I admit the Range Mask Tool doesn't make intuitive sense to me. I
>couldn't get it to do what I wanted.
>
>>But to your concern, it's stupid-easy to create a "virtual copy" and do
>>whatever it is you want to each one.
>
>Not sure I understand. How do I apply Snap Art 4, for example, to just a
>precisely defined part of an image?
>
>>>LR = Sludge.
>>I've been finding ways to greatly improve the speed of my LR
>>environment. Over the past couple of months, I've discovered several
>>significant things that have completely revolutionized the experience:
>>
>>1. SSD external work drive for my active/current catalog/images.
>
>PS does all its work in memory (32G) and caches. I have the caches on an SSD.
>I don't know how writes to my primary image drive compare to other drives. I
>have noticed improvements in both caching and writing to disk in recent
>updates.
>
>Still Ignorant Moose
>
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