The US is not the world, nor its center Chris. I’m sorry to say. Look at the
stats and check on the population counts ;-)
Amities
Philippe
> Le 11 oct. 2018 à 22:38, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>
>>
>>> Here on the east side of the Atlantic, I was not aware of the idea that
>>> America was regarded as mainly responsible although we are aware that you
>>> seem to have a larger lobby of climate change deniers than most, not least
>>> your President. It is however commonly noted that in the USA peoples' views
>>> on such matters (or abortion or environmental matters) appear to be much
>>> more closely linked to political allegiance than elsewhere.
>>
>> Tribalism is getting more intense over here. There is not such thing
>> as a conversation with anybody that sees things even SLIGHTLY
>> differently than you. It will quickly devolve into a "if you voted for
>> Trump/Hillary I'm going to unfriend you" type of scenario. In fact,
>> there are people on this very list who have said that very thing and I
>> just shake my head and say to myself "you are such an idiot."
>>
>
> I've actually had to put a couple of people from this list into my spam
> blocker just to keep the noise down and the enjoyment up.
>
>>
>> Many years ago, I was a supporter/member of the Sierra Club. I was an
>> innocent person who actually thought that this organization actually
>> wanted to be effective at real issues and concerns. Turns out that
>> their only purpose for being (at that time) was to defeat George H.W.
>> Bush. Instead of environmental issues, they became a purely political
>> organization with absolutely no redeeming value. This came to a head
>> when there was a "call to arms" moment on a specific environmental
>> issue that was very specific to their charter and they declined to
>> have anything to do with it because all of their money and effort was
>> being devoted to politics instead. We were literally told to "stand
>> down" on what we were doing because they didn't want that
>> environmental cleanup effort to be completed before the election.
>>
>
> I was more than just a supporter/ member. I was a member of the group
> and then chapter Excoms, as well as the group and laer chapter outings
> leader. What I saw when I got to the chapter level made me wonder if being a
> member, let alone being actively involved, was a good use of my time and
> money. When I was appointed to a governor's advisory council, all hell broke
> loose and I was forced out.
>
> The bottom line here is that any active involvement in environmental
> issues in this chapter is a death wish. This chapter does not participate in
> any public meetings, while at the same time the "opposition" does. Serious
> issues go unaddressed. It mostly comes down to one person, whose name I will
> not mention except to say that she was the national treasurer when the
> Seminole (ie - Florida) chapter was suspended for three years for contronting
> Clorox for discharging untreated waste into the Everglades. The Sierra Club
> national office got a healthy $100,000 "donation" from Clorox.
>
> Chris
>
> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
> - Hunter S. Thompson
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