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Subject: Re: [OM] Science and Speculation [was "Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico" @ AGO in Toronto]
From: ChrisB <ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 21:15:26 +0100
This is a strange subject for the List, but quite in keeping with its 
traditions, I reckon.

And that is my inclination, Ken.  It would be OK to call it a hypothesis, 
perhaps.

Chris

> On 20 Jun 2017, at 20:26, Ken Norton <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> Remember, we are only talking about this observable universe. A beginning
>> and end are only comforting thoughts for the religious among us. As far as
>> this universe goes, continuously expanding or expanding and then
>> contracting. Big question. Depends upon the total mass of the universe which
>> is currently an unknown.Scientists aren't "fudging" anything. They are
>> plugging in numbers to see what fits observations. The math is only a tool
>> to help explain data and as a basis to hypothesize and then test. Right now
>> they are looking for evidence of dark matter. However the tools are yet too
>> crude.
> 
> I may be a simpleton, but when you can't account for 95% of the
> universe and have to call it Dark Matter and Dark Energy, in order to
> fit your assumption, then just maybe your assumption is wrong. It just
> doesn't pass the cosmic smell test. I can understand fudging 10%, but
> 95%? That's where I think that the assumption of expansion or
> contraction isn't cutting it. The math is just an explanation and when
> you have a 20:1 fudge factor to make the math work, then something is
> blatantly wrong. But the scientists' new clothes look so good.

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