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From: Christopher Crawford <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 02:26:13 -0400
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On 6/5/16, 1:34 AM, "olympus on behalf of Nathan Wajsman"
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>That is small beer. This is the control unit of the toilet at a hotel in
>Seoul where I stayed in 2013. Push the wrong button and your ass is fried:
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>Cheers,
>Nathan
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>Nathan Wajsman
>Alicante, Spain
>http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
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>> On 05 Jun 2016, at 03:29, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>>     I'm watching "Houseboat" on one of our broadcast movie channels,
>>and the commercials tend to be more unnerving than usual.  This time
>>it's for a device called "Bowl Light", which has a motion sensor that
>>lights up the interior of the porcelain throne so that you don't have to
>>turn the light on at night.  And you can adjust the colour to suit you.
>> 
>>     We are not amused.
>> 
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>>     - Hunter S. Thompson
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A Caravan would attract too much attention.  A 206 is just one of many.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 6/5/2016 12:32 AM, Bill Pearce wrote:
> They're not as cheap as they used to be, but they are low budget as
> fixed wing goes, and they are like a flying shake table. If I had
> government money, I would outfit a Caravan for this.
>
> But think, 100 of these flying around? That's scary. Good news is they
> are far from silent so listen for the sound of giant bees overhead.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Nichols
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 11:00 PM
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> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: From the Airport
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> Hi Bill,
>
> It's a 2010 206H, and they have more than 100 of them.  Not so low
> budget.
>
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
>
> On 6/4/2016 10:53 PM, Bill Pearce wrote:
>> A low budget operation, that's a Light single Cessna, something like
>> a 182 or a 206.
>> their equipment must be able to take a lot of vibration.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Nichols
>> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 5:27 PM
>> To: LUG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Olympus Camera Discussion
>> Subject: [OM] IMG: From the Airport
>>
>> I left the house with rainy day gear because of threatening weather, the
>> Oly E-1 with ZD 35/3.5 lens.  The ball game was called off, so I stopped
>> by the airport, where folks were waiting for jumpers to start appearing
>> from the threatening clouds.  We could occasionally see the Twin Otter
>> jump plane as it reached jump altitude, so I hiked out to the landing
>> zone, while watching dark clouds and rain approaching from the west.
>>
>> The first to land was a bright orange and white chute.  You may note
>> that the skies get progressively darker with each image.
>>
>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046088fm_filtered.tif.html
>>
>>
>> The first of three tandem jumpers passed overhead.
>>
>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046096fm_filtered.tif.html
>>
>>
>> The second tandem pair made a nice approach and landing.
>>
>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046100fm.tif.html
>>
>> The third tandem pair appear to be the same ones I posted a few days
>> ago, with the big smile.  The smile is still there.
>>
>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046110fm_filtered.tif.html
>>
>>
>> These jumpers savored the moment as the chute settled to the ground.
>>
>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046112fm_filtered.tif.html
>>
>>
>> With the rain getting closer, the folks loaded up for the trip back to
>> the hangar.  First, the "Gator", that  picks up any that land some
>> distance away.  No need for that today.
>>
>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046113fm.tif.html
>>
>> Next, the main transport cart and canopy trailer.
>>
>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046117fm.tif.html
>>
>> As I headed toward my car, I noted an airplane with strange gear
>> attached, resembling the surveillance gear often seen on military
>> helicopters.  I snapped a couple of images.  Some online searching told
>> me that this was an FBI surveillance aircraft, operated by a "front"
>> company in Virginia.
>>
>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046119fm.tif.html
>>
>> As soon as I reached my vehicle, the clouds cut loose.
>>
>> All with the Oly E-1 and ZD 35/3.5 at ISO 400
>>
>> Comments and critiques welcomed and appreciated.
>>
>

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Here's an uneducated question...  Given the idea of Metabones (taking FF
lens coverage,  and reducing to M43),  and teleconvertors (adapting a lens
coverage to achieve a longer reach)  is it imaginable to design glass that
would take a M43 lens (is "footprint" the right word ?) and  cover a FF
sensor?  Can the physics of it work?

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PESO:

Yazd, Iran, is known for its Persian cats so we went to visit a Persian cat
breeder that Hossein found out about.  I imagined that there would be rows
of cages with various colors and kinds of Persian cats.  Not at all!!
Mohammed Masarrat has a house just for the cats.  He has over 70 cats and
kittens but has lost count.  There is a nice courtyard and litter boxes and
food bowls and water bowls in every room of the house.  The pregnant cats
have one room to themselves but the rest roam everywhere and anywhere.  We
stayed about 2 hours talking to him and playing with the kittens.  It was
about 2 hours too long.  What a smelly place!!!

http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I0000t9d8MnxmWCI

and on until the end if you like kittens!!  I do, but this was too much!

C&C greatly appreciated.

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FPM wrote:
<<It was not, however entirely still; no way to hand stack. Here's the six shot 
stack that worked. <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 200>


<<Twenty some files to be deleted. At first, I trusted focus and the process to 
get the front edge. But with such a gossamer, relatively deep subject, 
projecting directly toward the camera, that didn't work. So I focused, then 
moved the camera back just a little before shooting.


<<That did it! I had one of a better pose, but the subject moved during the 
exposures. I think this one came out rather well.


Remarkably good job given the camera movement amplified by the very long FL and 
the critter moving its head during the stack.   Some can hand hold stacks and  
move the cam to change the focal plane but it takes tremendous practice.

The alignment software did pretty well and Moose found a secret to get the 
focusing algorithm to do the job for him.  The amplified movement illustrates 
the effect of FL on handholding macro shots--see:  
http://lists.tako.de/Olympus-OM/2013-09/msg00278.html

I hope we see more of these.  I like it very much.   To nit pick there are some 
stacking halo artifacts near the eyes and  the critter  hairs are  often 
trouble with focus stacked shots unless can use a "pyramid" method such as Pmax 
in Zerene stacker.

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Hi all,

Here's a view near the site of my boat misadventures. The
peak in the distance has the name 'Leaning Rock'.


http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 185

Our latest House
rebuild news from Clyde.

Yesterday we had meetings with our insurance
co-ordinator to tie things together, but there are more details to
come.
An hour later we were joined by the Project Manager from Breens
Construction which is the company selected by state Insurance for our
rebuild. Competitive tender, and Breens are a very reputable company,
very well run.
Main features; rebuild will not start until September;
there are not enough building tradies in Central, and their work
schedule is full. Might be in by Christmas but I would not put money on
that.
I managed to get 2nd quote for triple glazing (thermally broken
frames, low E glass, argon filled) and we can just afford it with
prudent management; not a company that Breens deals with, but 'their'
company does not do triple glazing :-(
They will have to get along
together - hope their (Viridian / Vistalite / Fletcher Glass) standards
are up to Breens expectations.
We will also have thicker walls (150 x 40
not 90 x 40 (mm) studs) and insulation to match also in the
ceilings.
The kitchen will be moved 1 metre to the west so that the
vestibule at the (now to be main entrance, from the driveway) is a
better size. The flow one effects of this will add nearly $10,000 to the
cost. $2,800/square metre is the figure they use.

We should have a
warm house as a result; better than the base standard required by the
building code. The triple glazing I specified has an R value 50% greater
than the best double glazing.

Other news is that on 10 June I go to
Dunedin to Mercy Hospital for 90 minutes surgery on my nose to remove a
basal cell carcinoma I spotted a few days ago. Patrick Dawes is the
surgeon; he did Maggie's nose a few years back for a much worse kind of
cancer. He tells wicked jokes when he's cutting and pasting skin ...


Cheers, Brian

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The cutaway of a camera body is obviously an E-300 or E-330, and therefore
NOT inaccurate, as the mirror is to the side of the lens throat, closer to
the reader, as in the Pen F SLR. I guess they chose to use the E-3x0 to
avoid having to move the SSWF and shutter forward for "clarity".

Curious, though, that the E-3x0 cameras do not feature in the side bar (nor
do E-450 and E-5, which presumably dates the page to at least seven years
ago.

Piers

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On 6/1/2016 5:06 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
> . . .
>
> What did give me pause, however, was finding this diagram of the "Dust
Reduction System" on the OM-Ds on the Oly site.

Weeellll, not quite. It's for the 4/3 DSLRs

> See:
<http://www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/technology/reduction/dust-reduction.html
> I have to admit being shocked to
> discover the system is unlike anything I imagined... you can't get to the
sensor because it is hermetically sealed
> behind two rubber dust seals all of which is behind the supersonic wave
filter which pretty much covers the entire
> opening of the lens mount... far more than the sensor and its low-pass
filter.

The cutaway of a camera body is obviously inaccurate, as there is no room
for the mirror. I imagine the SSWF and shutter
were moved forward for "clarity".

I'd imagine that the system for OM-Ds is similar in concept, but different
in detail.

> I have suspected from time-to-time over the last several months that I was
picking up a faint shadow in sky areas.
> Because this topic is not on the list I reviewed a lot of photos and
couldn't find anything to reinforce my memory.
> But I did just take a look at my SSWF under a 3X magnifier and a strong
light.  I could clearly see two tiny white
> spots on the filter.

I'm pretty sure that I was surprised by a shadow on my E-M5 some time ago. I
got rid of it, but don't remember how.

De Spotted Moose

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A new TOPE theme:  SENSOR SPOTS !

...Wayne



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Subject: [OM] OM-D E-M1 sensor dust

Curiosity got the best of me.  I couldn't delay any more without having a
serious look at the sensor.  Close inspection showed several spots on the
sensor.  One was quite large and very visible, the other very light and not
so easily seen.  As you'll see they're close to each other.  All the spots
except these 2 were blown away by the Rocket blower.

Probably the dust shaker would have gotten rid of the loose ones as well.  I
surmised that since, while working on cleaning the sensor, new spots would
spontaneously show up.  It was clear these were falling out of the air onto
the sensor.  Holding the camera upright and turning it on and off got rid of
them... except the 2 that remained throughout.

I decided to try the SensorKlear right away.  I first tried some light
touches with one of the triangular tips.  That had no effect and showed me
that the dust shaker is very loose.  But it only slides up/down/sideways (on
the same plane).  As I tried applying more pressure it became clear that the
filter will not stay still unless you drag it to one of its extremes. At
that point you can apply as much pressure as I used to use on the Canon 5D.
But I must have passed over that small spot 15-20 times using gradually more
pressure on each pass... enough so that on a couple passes I heard the tip
of the SensorKlear make the glass squeak.  But there was no joy.  I didn't
try the smaller spot so both remain.

I've posted images of what these spots look like at various apertures from
f/22 down to f/5.6. From f/22-f/11 they're pretty ugly.
<http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 202>

A big surprise is that neither of these spots is something I'd seen before.
Where I had previously thought there was dust was in the upper left corner.
Nothing there today.

Since I can't remove this big spot (and maybe the smaller one as well) I'm
going to have to send this to Oly and hope they'll clean it for free.

Chuck Norcutt


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     I'm glad I wasn't here for that one.  :{b

>
>  Its not like you haven't had them before: http://meteorcrater.com/
>
>Charlie
>
>On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
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>>      I was lying in bed half-awake around 0400 when this took place and I
>> remember the bedroom being brightly lit up, followed by a muffled boom.
>> Obviously I wasn't dreaming as reports of this event came from everywhere:
>>
>>
>> http://www.cbs5az.com/story/32121280/possible-meteor-lights-up-sky-across-arizona?autostart=true
>>
>>
>> http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/what-was-that-bright-light-streaks-across-sky
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Two pictures from today. Early this morning, I took the dog for a walk and fed 
the golf course cats along the way:
http://www.greatpix.eu/All/Picture-A-Day/i-54cf4Kx/A

Early this evening, we had a wine tasting at the office:
http://www.greatpix.eu/All/Picture-A-Day/i-GwZRnZz/A
The presenter was a nice guy, and the wines were all great. I will be buying 
some.

Cheers,
Nathan

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How does washing and refrigerating eggs make them less safe?

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On 6/3/16, 4:36 AM, "olympus on behalf of ChrisB"
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>Ho, ho, Philippe!
>
>I think that free-range eggs might be described as organic.  Whatever the
>definition might be, we have only the eggs from our hens, and we can eat
>them in all sorts of ways.
>
>I gather that the USA has a legal requirement to wash eggs before sale,
>then to chill them when on sale.  Our eggs are neither washed nor chilled
>(except that our kitchen is at between 14 and 18ºC most of the time).
>
>Chris
>
>> On 3 Jun 16, at 09:32, Philippe <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> Shell apart in part, what is a non organic egg?
>> 
>> This?
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My youngest daughter is deaf.  I will share this with her.

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On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 8:37 PM, John Hudson <OM4T@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> If you know of any person who is hard of hearing listen up here:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TOdXgdmwwE
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> On 6/3/2016 9:09 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote:
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>> In LR you have the Sync Settings button which will apply any settings you
>> choose from one image and apply it to one or many other images.
>> Jez
>>
>> On 3 June 2016 at 09:17, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> One may then use Image=>Adjustment=>Match Color to match WB between the
>>> two shots. Actually, if one shot looks right at first, one may just match
>>> the other to it. I think only PS does that?
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Very nice. Something tells me that I need to spearmint with this
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  That photograph alone is starting to aggravate my asthma. I do like cats
but can't live with them. The two white ones in the center look like they
are getting ready to duke it out.

Charlie

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> PESO:
>
> Yazd, Iran, is known for its Persian cats so we went to visit a Persian cat
> breeder that Hossein found out about.  I imagined that there would be rows
> of cages with various colors and kinds of Persian cats.  Not at all!!
> Mohammed Masarrat has a house just for the cats.  He has over 70 cats and
> kittens but has lost count.  There is a nice courtyard and litter boxes and
> food bowls and water bowls in every room of the house.  The pregnant cats
> have one room to themselves but the rest roam everywhere and anywhere.  We
> stayed about 2 hours talking to him and playing with the kittens.  It was
> about 2 hours too long.  What a smelly place!!!
>
>
> http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I0000t9d8MnxmWCI
>
> and on until the end if you like kittens!!  I do, but this was too much!
>
> C&C greatly appreciated.
>
> Tina
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Thanks, Leo.  Always before, I have just let the money accumulate in
PayPal's account and then used it to purchase stuff through PayPal.  I'll
look at setting up a bank account just for PayPal.

Tina

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Leo Wesson <leowesson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Tina,
>
> If you ever want your money from them , they will need your bank info to
> transfer it, so if that threatens you, set up an account to use only with
> pay pal.
>
> Leo Wesson
> leowesson.com
>
> > On Jun 1, 2016, at 07:53, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > PESO:
> >
> > Somebody bought one of my prints on Fine Art America and paid with
> PayPal.
> > I got a notice from PayPal yesterday that they canceled the purchase and
> > refunded the money to the buyer because I am not a "verified" member of
> > PayPal.  According to the PayPal website, in order to become a verified
> > member, I have to send them my bank account information or sign up for
> > their PayPal credit card.
> >
> > I have been using PayPal for years to send and receive all kinds of
> > payments and have never run into this before.  I've sent them an inquiry
> > about why they are doing this now but haven't heard back.
> >
> > Has anybody else run into this problem?
> >
> > I don't want to send them my bank account information or use their credit
> > card!!
> >
> > Tina
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On 6/1/2016 2:04 PM, Moose wrote:
> . . .
> That did it! I had one of a better pose, but the subject moved during the 
> exposures.

The above should read "I had one of a better pose, but the subject moved - too 
much - during the exposures."

There was some movement in the one that worked, but small enough for the ghost 
correction technique to work.

Enhanced Moose

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Yes, I know that¹s what Tina was talking about, but the General Mills
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On 6/2/16, 7:47 PM, "olympus on behalf of John Hudson"
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>I think that Tina is referring to the toxicity of certain residual
>glyphosates, for example Monsanto's Roundup or similar products, found
>in the foodchain originating from the soil on which food products are
>grown.
>
>jh
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>On 6/2/2016 7:44 PM, Christopher Crawford wrote:
>> Since flour is usually used for baked goods (bread, cake, cookies,
>>etc.),
>> I would think that being in an oven at 300+ degrees for ten minutes or
>> whatever would be deadly to any bacteria in the flour anyway?
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There's an active dovecote on the estate of a large country house near here
(Athelhampton) - here's 3 pictures...

http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 214

http://www.athelhampton.co.uk/

cheers
Jez

On 4 June 2016 at 06:13, Lawrence Woods <lmwoods@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> I had never run across the word dovecote before.  When I was in Iran I
> knew the structures as "pigeon towers."   In Iran, their sole purpose was
> to accumulate bird manure for fertilizer.  When manufactured fertilizer
> became available, they fell into disuse.
>
> Wikipedia tells me that dovecotes also existed (and in a few places, still
> exist) in Europe. In Europe they were also used as a source for eggs and
> meat.
>
> I don't recall any restored pigeon towers 40 years ago in Iran. They
> weren't yet appreciated as cultural artifacts, I guess.  The interior of
> the one Tina shows is clean, so presumably birds are kept out.  An active
> tower would probably be too unhealthy a place to allow tourists in without
> a face mask or respirator.
>
> From: Philippe <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx> ... <snip> ... the pigeon
>> holes are fantastic, but I can only imagine them full of the fowl with
>> horror; OMG, the stench ?. ;-) Le 2 juin 2016 ? 20:40, Tina Manley <
>> tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> a ?crit : > I've posted a bunch of photos from
>> Meybod, Iran, including a weaver making > two-sided rugs that are
>> traditional to this city, an ancient ice house, and > a dovecote: > >
>> http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I0000HJ4a7gIbjCk
>>
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On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 12:23 AM, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
> There were six slices. You can see how the hand held camera moved; at 800
> mm eq., even tiny movements are magnified. <
> http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/tech/Focus%20Stacking/_A004992-97combo.jpg
> >
>
> It's hard to see subject movement at this size, but there was a little
> wing movement.
>
> Only four of the slices were used, as the last two were past focus on any
> of the subject. <
> http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/tech/Focus%20Stacking/RedDragon.htm>
>
> I think I may use eight shots, more closely spaced, for this sort of
> subject. Still learning. :-)
>
> Did you try f16 for comparison?
>>
>
> No. I'll sometimes shoot a couple at f16 of something this deep, but only
> after covering my f10-11 bases. F16 is getting to the gray area where DoF
> and diffraction softening overlap. With some subjects, deconvolution brings
> detail right up, but I can't count on it.
>

Thanks for posting the additional bits.  I think what is most impressive
about the shot is not even the technique or technology involved, but the
wits to anticipate the beastie's behavior.  That really takes it to a
different order of magnitude of accomplishment.  I'm always thinking about
what St. Ansel meant by "visualization."  This is a good example of
technique coming to the service of vision.  This sets a very high mark!  I
wish that you would submit this to some sort of Olympus contest to show
what a smart, talented guy can do with one of their SOTA cameras.

Joel (foot groveling) W.
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  I would say completely unheard of here. I worked in Germany (West at the
time) in the late 70's. Beer was served in the company cafeteria at lunch.
I took a pass as noon is too early for my tastes and would worsen my
postprandial sleepiness. I really didn't notice how many of the local
partook. That is simply not seen here in an official capacity. Different
views on alcohol and too many lawyers create a huge liability problem.

Charlie

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> You guys have the most interesting office of any in my experience!  For an
> office in the USA to have a wine-tasting is almost unheard of.  Sometimes
> they have wine at the annual Christmas party but that's about it!!  I have
> my own office and can have a wine tasting anytime I want.  Like tonight.
> The ladies left all of their unfinished wines here after the pizza party
> last night ;-)  I'd better not post any more tonight.
>
> Tina
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Two pictures from today. Early this morning, I took the dog for a walk
> and
> > fed the golf course cats along the way:
> > http://www.greatpix.eu/All/Picture-A-Day/i-54cf4Kx/A
> >
> > Early this evening, we had a wine tasting at the office:
> > http://www.greatpix.eu/All/Picture-A-Day/i-GwZRnZz/A
> > The presenter was a nice guy, and the wines were all great. I will be
> > buying some.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Nathan
> >
> > Nathan Wajsman
> > Alicante, Spain
> > http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
> > http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu
> > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws <
> > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
> <
> > http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/>
> > Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator <
> > http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>
> > YNWA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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 From the link below:
======================================================================State and 
federal authorities have been researching 38 occurrences of
illnesses across 20 states related to a specific type of E. coli (E.
coli O121), between December 21, 2015, and May 3, 2016. While attempting
to track the cause of the illness, CDC found that approximately half of
the individuals reported making something homemade with flour at some
point prior to becoming ill. Some reported using a General Mills brand
of flour.
======================================================================
I don't know why General Mills agreed to this recall.  The case against
them is, statistically, amazingly weak.  Over almost 6 months across 20
states 38 cases of E. coli.  *Half of those* said they had something to
eat made with flour.  *Some* of those half had used a General Mills
brand of flour.  This form of E. coli is rare.  What accounts for the
other half?  In addition, no E. coli has been found in any of their
products or any of their manufacturing facilities.  But we *must* make
it appear as though we're doing *something*.

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/2/2016 4:59 PM, Charles Geilfuss wrote:
>   What is the reason for the recall, Chuck?
>
> Charlie (King Arthur Flour user)
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> wrote:
>
>> I got a phone call about this from one of the grocery stores we
>> patronize.  Long phone message with a final suggestion to call General
>> Mills or check the website <http://www.generalmills.com/flour>
>>
>> I did both and am glad I checked the website.  We have one opened and
>> partially used 5 lb bag of Gold Medal flour and another that had not been
>> opened.  The one which had not been opened was bought the same day as the
>> other.  The page above gives specific "use by dates" as affected by the
>> recall for each of their products.  The use by date on our package was 6
>> weeks beyond anything affected by the recall so we're not going to take it
>> back.
>>
>> You might want to check this site along with what's on your shelf.
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
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My wife's grand-daughter, just turned 13, now has a camera.

When
it came to replacing her iPad (lost in the house fire) she opted for a
camera, and it HAD to be a Canyon.

Nothing else would do - one of her
school mates has one, as does his mother.

So she now has a Rebel 1200D
(with the 18 - 55 zoom) - which has 18 megapixels.

I would have bought
her one of the mirror-less Oly cameras, but, no.

So, my M5 has just 16
MP, and i wondered how they would compare. My lens is the 12 - 50 mm
zoom.

I did a test shot with the Canyon in identical conditions &
subject to the mountain/lake shot at
http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 185

I'm pleased to me
able to report that when the images are compared side by side in
FastStone's 'image compare' feature the M5 is clearly the sharper of the
two.

Cheers, Brian

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Love the Botero statue!
Went to an exhibition of his work when we lived in Paris. My wife is a huge
fan.
Jez

On 1 June 2016 at 18:33, Nathan Wajsman <photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> In other words, another very mixed week in Alicante. There are portraits
> of my in-laws and my daughter, there is a choral performance, there are
> landscapes, there is good food, there are happy people, there are
> beachscapes, there are pretty little flowers, and of course an orange kitty
> as well:
>
> http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id28
>
> As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated.
>
> Nathan
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> Alicante, Spain
> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
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Le 2 juin 2016 à 22:35, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

>     As of this afternoon, Bonnie is back up to being a tropical depression.  
> And it's over water.  Sooo...
> 
> 

Lucky yous!

We're under water here

http://tinyurl.com/jkau3sl
Philippe


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On 6/1/2016 5:06 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
> . . .
>
> What did give me pause, however, was finding this diagram of the "Dust 
> Reduction System" on the OM-Ds on the Oly site.

Weeellll, not quite. It's for the 4/3 DSLRs

> See: 
> <http://www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/technology/reduction/dust-reduction.html> 
> I have to admit being shocked to
> discover the system is unlike anything I imagined... you can't get to the 
> sensor because it is hermetically sealed
> behind two rubber dust seals all of which is behind the supersonic wave 
> filter which pretty much covers the entire
> opening of the lens mount... far more than the sensor and its low-pass filter.

The cutaway of a camera body is obviously inaccurate, as there is no room for 
the mirror. I imagine the SSWF and shutter
were moved forward for "clarity".

I'd imagine that the system for OM-Ds is similar in concept, but different in 
detail.

> I have suspected from time-to-time over the last several months that I was 
> picking up a faint shadow in sky areas.
> Because this topic is not on the list I reviewed a lot of photos and couldn't 
> find anything to reinforce my memory.
> But I did just take a look at my SSWF under a 3X magnifier and a strong 
> light.  I could clearly see two tiny white
> spots on the filter.

I'm pretty sure that I was surprised by a shadow on my E-M5 some time ago. I 
got rid of it, but don't remember how.

De Spotted Moose

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A low budget operation, that's a Light single Cessna, something like a 182
or a 206.
their equipment must be able to take a lot of vibration.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Nichols
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 5:27 PM
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Subject: [OM] IMG: From the Airport

I left the house with rainy day gear because of threatening weather, the
Oly E-1 with ZD 35/3.5 lens.  The ball game was called off, so I stopped
by the airport, where folks were waiting for jumpers to start appearing
from the threatening clouds.  We could occasionally see the Twin Otter
jump plane as it reached jump altitude, so I hiked out to the landing
zone, while watching dark clouds and rain approaching from the west.

The first to land was a bright orange and white chute.  You may note
that the skies get progressively darker with each image.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046088fm_filtered.tif.html

The first of three tandem jumpers passed overhead.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046096fm_filtered.tif.html

The second tandem pair made a nice approach and landing.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046100fm.tif.html

The third tandem pair appear to be the same ones I posted a few days
ago, with the big smile.  The smile is still there.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046110fm_filtered.tif.html

These jumpers savored the moment as the chute settled to the ground.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046112fm_filtered.tif.html

With the rain getting closer, the folks loaded up for the trip back to
the hangar.  First, the "Gator", that  picks up any that land some
distance away.  No need for that today.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046113fm.tif.html

Next, the main transport cart and canopy trailer.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046117fm.tif.html

As I headed toward my car, I noted an airplane with strange gear
attached, resembling the surveillance gear often seen on military
helicopters.  I snapped a couple of images.  Some online searching told
me that this was an FBI surveillance aircraft, operated by a "front"
company in Virginia.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046119fm.tif.html

As soon as I reached my vehicle, the clouds cut loose.

All with the Oly E-1 and ZD 35/3.5 at ISO 400

Comments and critiques welcomed and appreciated.

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Tullahoma, TN USA

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On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 6/1/2016 7:27 AM, DZDub wrote:
>
>> . . .
>> However, it's difficult not to visualize this sort of thing for a Great
>> Many of the kinds of things I like to shoot, which is a lot of disk space.
>>
>
> Yeah, but TBs are cheap. :-) And one may delete the ones that don't work
> out. Maybe even the originals? Nah.
>

Of course, it's also so much work that you don't really run up the shutter
count.

Stunning dragonfly!  Did you need to FS?  Could you post one of the images
from your stack?  Did you try f16 for comparison?

Joel W.
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>> Let's all turn to Hymn Number 3580, How Great Thou Art.

> P.S. You've got a lot of songs if it takes you 3579 tries to get to "How
> Great Thou Art"!  You might like the old Methodist hymnal that started with
> "Holy, Holy, Holy."

Too obscure?

Hymn Number 3580
Zuiko 35-80/2.8

AG Schnozz
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On Jun 2, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Ken Norton 
<ken@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ken@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

Portra is a fantastic film now. Not that it was ever "bad", but it is
super good for scanning and then you can "McCurry" the snot out of it
in Photoshop

Way to throw some shade! Haha.
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We certainly would if we could Tina - flooding in Paris and pouring again here 
as I'm typing and we're lucky to have had our roof refurbished late April ?
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Playground/The+roofer-2.jpg.html

Amities
Philippe

Le 3 juin 2016 à 20:30, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> Beautiful!!  I especially like the first one. Send some of that rain this
> way.  I've been watering for 4 hours this morning.  We are 15 inches below
> normal rainfall for this time of year and 17.4% warmer than normal.
> 
> Tina
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Philippe <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
>> Shot this afternoon in between downpours ?
>> 
>> Starts here, and the next 5
>> 
>> 
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Straight+from+the+garden-2603.jpg.html
>> 
>> I might presumptuously add that I presume they may all be seen large :-)
>> 
>> Amities
>> Philippe
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Somewhere along the line many years ago when I was in the antiques trade, I 
became a verified PayPal member. I _think_ it was when I set up a bank account 
so I could withdraw my money by means other than a check. I don't remember the 
specifics. One day I wasn't verified, the next day I was.

Verification meant they had physical address information as well as a bank 
account number. I'm still verified, and despite a decade and a half's effort, 
they still have me verified as Moose Meadow Pens. (And I didn't even know Moose 
then. Lawsy, the synchronicity! ;-)  )

That name doesn't show up, though, unless you get to digging around. With the 
photo stuff I just used my name, but still was listed as verified. As the 
others said, a specific account is the way to go. And keep in mind that like 
credit card companies, PP always favors the buyer, not the seller.

--Bob

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> On Jun 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> PESO:
>
> Somebody bought one of my prints on Fine Art America and paid with PayPal.
> I got a notice from PayPal yesterday that they canceled the purchase and
> refunded the money to the buyer because I am not a "verified" member of
> PayPal.  According to the PayPal website, in order to become a verified
> member, I have to send them my bank account information or sign up for
> their PayPal credit card.
>
> I have been using PayPal for years to send and receive all kinds of
> payments and have never run into this before.  I've sent them an inquiry
> about why they are doing this now but haven't heard back.
>
> Has anybody else run into this problem?
>
> I don't want to send them my bank account information or use their credit
> card!!
>
> Tina
>
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> I don't actually understand why PP should be trusted any less than
> other financial institutions...
Neither do I. Sure there is online transaction fraud but I believe that
it is way more secure than other methods.  I think it is much more
likely that the fraud is initiated via a hands-on transaction or
phishing which gives access to the online stuff. e.g. a friend got
double swiped at a restaurant. I have my accts set up to notify me via
email above a set transaction amount threshold.

Mike

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Excellent shot of dragonfly including the strange mechanical device he's
perched on.

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/2/2016 7:34 PM, Mike Gordon via olympus wrote:
> FPM wrote:
> <<It was not, however entirely still; no way to hand stack. Here's the six 
> shot stack that worked. <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 200>
>
>
> <<Twenty some files to be deleted. At first, I trusted focus and the process 
> to get the front edge. But with such a gossamer, relatively deep subject, 
> projecting directly toward the camera, that didn't work. So I focused, then 
> moved the camera back just a little before shooting.
>
>
> <<That did it! I had one of a better pose, but the subject moved during the 
> exposures. I think this one came out rather well.
>
>
> Remarkably good job given the camera movement amplified by the very long FL 
> and the critter moving its head during the stack.   Some can hand hold stacks 
> and  move the cam to change the focal plane but it takes tremendous practice.
>
> The alignment software did pretty well and Moose found a secret to get the 
> focusing algorithm to do the job for him.  The amplified movement illustrates 
> the effect of FL on handholding macro shots--see:  
> http://lists.tako.de/Olympus-OM/2013-09/msg00278.html
>
> I hope we see more of these.  I like it very much.   To nit pick there are 
> some stacking halo artifacts near the eyes and  the critter  hairs are  often 
> trouble with focus stacked shots unless can use a "pyramid" method such as 
> Pmax in Zerene stacker.
>
> Mike
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To stay on the pigeon topic on a photo list, here's the "pre-Luftwaffe" model - 
prior to Leica (circa 1914)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-R01996%2C_Brieftaube_mit_Fotokamera.jpg

OTT, pigeons are said to have helped the (H1N1) spanish flu spread across 
Europe during and after WWI. 
The death toll was larger than that of the war itself ...

Amities
Philippe


Le 4 juin 2016 à 10:03, Jez Cunningham <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> There's an active dovecote on the estate of a large country house near here
> (Athelhampton) - here's 3 pictures...
> 
> http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId=20214
> 
> http://www.athelhampton.co.uk/
> 
> cheers
> Jez
> 
> On 4 June 2016 at 06:13, Lawrence Woods <lmwoods@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> I had never run across the word dovecote before.  When I was in Iran I
>> knew the structures as "pigeon towers."   In Iran, their sole purpose was
>> to accumulate bird manure for fertilizer.  When manufactured fertilizer
>> became available, they fell into disuse.
>> 
>> Wikipedia tells me that dovecotes also existed (and in a few places, still
>> exist) in Europe. In Europe they were also used as a source for eggs and
>> meat.
>> 
>> I don't recall any restored pigeon towers 40 years ago in Iran. They
>> weren't yet appreciated as cultural artifacts, I guess.  The interior of
>> the one Tina shows is clean, so presumably birds are kept out.  An active
>> tower would probably be too unhealthy a place to allow tourists in without
>> a face mask or respirator.
>> 
>> From: Philippe <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx> ... <snip> ... the pigeon
>>> holes are fantastic, but I can only imagine them full of the fowl with
>>> horror; OMG, the stench ?. ;-) Le 2 juin 2016 ? 20:40, Tina Manley <
>>> tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> a ?crit : > I've posted a bunch of photos from
>>> Meybod, Iran, including a weaver making > two-sided rugs that are
>>> traditional to this city, an ancient ice house, and > a dovecote: > >
>>> http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I0000HJ4a7gIbjCk
>>> 
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Shot this afternoon in between downpours ?

Starts here, and the next 5

http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Straight+from+the+garden-2603.jpg.html

I might presumptuously add that I presume they may all be seen large :-)

Amities
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best of luck on all items...........

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Hi all,

Here's a view near the site of my boat misadventures. Thepeak in the distance 
has the name 'Leaning Rock'.

http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 185

Our latest Houserebuild news from Clyde.

Yesterday we had meetings with our insuranceco-ordinator to tie things 
together, but there are more details tocome.An hour later we were joined by the 
Project Manager from BreensConstruction which is the company selected by state 
Insurance for ourrebuild. Competitive tender, and Breens are a very reputable 
company,very well run.Main features; rebuild will not start until 
September;there are not enough building tradies in Central, and their 
workschedule is full. Might be in by Christmas but I would not put money 
onthat.I managed to get 2nd quote for triple glazing (thermally brokenframes, 
low E glass, argon filled) and we can just afford it withprudent management; 
not a company that Breens deals with, but 'their'company does not do triple 
glazing :-(They will have to get alongtogether - hope their (Viridian / 
Vistalite / Fletcher Glass) standardsare up to Breens expectations.We will also 
have thicker walls (150 x 40not 90 x 40 (mm) studs) and insulation to match 
also in theceilings.Th
 e kitchen will be moved 1 metre to the west so that thevestibule at the (now 
to be main entrance, from the driveway) is abetter size. The flow one effects 
of this will add nearly $10,000 to thecost. $2,800/square metre is the figure 
they use.

We should have awarm house as a result; better than the base standard required 
by thebuilding code. The triple glazing I specified has an R value 50% 
greaterthan the best double glazing.

Other news is that on 10 June I go toDunedin to Mercy Hospital for 90 minutes 
surgery on my nose to remove abasal cell carcinoma I spotted a few days ago. 
Patrick Dawes is thesurgeon; he did Maggie's nose a few years back for a much 
worse kind ofcancer. He tells wicked jokes when he's cutting and pasting skin 
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A cautionary not on Swiffer. A couple of weeks ago I cleaned my
sensors. I did my usual Swiffer trick, but was horrified to see
streaking on the sensor cover. I will check to see if this is a
different model of Swiffer with sent added or something. In the past,
the Swiffer didn't do this, so I'm quite concerned about my wonderful
trick.

Horrors of all horrors #2. I had to use a Q-Tip to dislodge one glued
on bunny. But what I did was take a lens tissue and wrap it around the
end of the Q-tip and just spot clean the sensors of the visible dots.
If you can see them with your eye, they'll show up in the images. If
you can't see them with your eyes, don't bother. No need for a full
wipedown.

AG
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Since flour is usually used for baked goods (bread, cake, cookies, etc.),
I would think that being in an oven at 300+ degrees for ten minutes or
whatever would be deadly to any bacteria in the flour anyway?

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On 6/2/16, 6:32 PM, "olympus on behalf of Chuck Norcutt"
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> From the link below:
>======================================================================>State 
>and federal authorities have been researching 38 occurrences of
>illnesses across 20 states related to a specific type of E. coli (E.
>coli O121), between December 21, 2015, and May 3, 2016. While attempting
>to track the cause of the illness, CDC found that approximately half of
>the individuals reported making something homemade with flour at some
>point prior to becoming ill. Some reported using a General Mills brand
>of flour.
>======================================================================>
>I don't know why General Mills agreed to this recall.  The case against
>them is, statistically, amazingly weak.  Over almost 6 months across 20
>states 38 cases of E. coli.  *Half of those* said they had something to
>eat made with flour.  *Some* of those half had used a General Mills
>brand of flour.  This form of E. coli is rare.  What accounts for the
>other half?  In addition, no E. coli has been found in any of their
>products or any of their manufacturing facilities.  But we *must* make
>it appear as though we're doing *something*.
>
>Chuck Norcutt
>
>
>On 6/2/2016 4:59 PM, Charles Geilfuss wrote:
>>   What is the reason for the recall, Chuck?
>>
>> Charlie (King Arthur Flour user)
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Chuck Norcutt
>><chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> I got a phone call about this from one of the grocery stores we
>>> patronize.  Long phone message with a final suggestion to call General
>>> Mills or check the website <http://www.generalmills.com/flour>
>>>
>>> I did both and am glad I checked the website.  We have one opened and
>>> partially used 5 lb bag of Gold Medal flour and another that had not
>>>been
>>> opened.  The one which had not been opened was bought the same day as
>>>the
>>> other.  The page above gives specific "use by dates" as affected by the
>>> recall for each of their products.  The use by date on our package was
>>>6
>>> weeks beyond anything affected by the recall so we're not going to
>>>take it
>>> back.
>>>
>>> You might want to check this site along with what's on your shelf.
>>>
>>> Chuck Norcutt
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Ready for the iron rush for stuff to forge another sword? Can't wait to see the 
photos.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/01/tutankhamuns-blade-made-from-meteorite-study-reveals/

Amities
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Le 3 juin 2016 à 14:55, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

>     News here has been (by way of NASA) that it broke up and the fragments 
> are southwest between Payson and Showlow.
> 
>> 
>> News this morning describes it as a three meter "asteroid". My guess is
>> it entered and exited the atmosphere without making landfall. That would
>> leave a mark. Speaking of meteorites, I'm in the middle of reading Paul
>> Theroux's "Last Train to Zona Verde" and he mentions a large iron meteorite
>> that is a popular tourist attraction in Namibia. Curious, I looked up the
>> town on G**gle Maps and you can just make out the 3mx3mx1m, 60 ton lump of
>> iron in the satellite images. Easier seen here:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoba_meteorite.
>> 
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro 
>     - Hunter S. Thompson
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On 6/3/2016 10:01 PM, bj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>
> . . .
> So she now has a Rebel 1200D
> (with the 18 - 55 zoom) - which has 18 megapixels.
>
> I would have bought
> her one of the mirror-less Oly cameras, but, no.
>
> So, my M5 has just 16
> MP, and i wondered how they would compare. My lens is the 12 - 50 mm
> zoom.
> . . .
>
> I'm pleased to me
> able to report that when the images are compared side by side in
> FastStone's 'image compare' feature the M5 is clearly the sharper of the
> two.

The resolution difference is meaningless.

1. They have identical vertical pixels counts. The Canon is 3:2, Oly 4:3. The 
wider frame of the Canon is the only
difference, giving a larger area of identical pixel pitch.

2. Resolution is a linear measure. Pixel count is an area (or squared) measure. 
This small a difference in pixel count,
if due to a real higher pixel density, rather than format difference, would 
still be too small to make a difference.

The big difference is almost certainly the lenses. The Canon is a cheap kit 
lens. The Oly is mid grade in Oly's lineup,
above their 14-42 kit lenses and below their Pro 12-40/2.8. I've used the 12-50 
very extensively, and it's a fine lens.
The Oly kit lenses, too, aren't that bad, while the Canons kit lenses are a 
notch below.

Nothing has really changed for entry level camera kits in decades. The body has 
to cost a certain amount to be
competitive in features, so the cost comes out of the lens, to meet price 
points. A better lens would make a big
difference, but such is the way of the world.

Resolute Moose

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Whats next, an app for my tablet. I didn't read the review and don't see
a motor. Thought someone might interested.

btw a camera name from the past.

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>>     As of this afternoon, Bonnie is back up to being a tropical depression.  
>> And it's over water.  Sooo...
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>>
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>Lucky yous!
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>We're under water here
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>http://tinyurl.com/jkau3sl
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     So I've heard.  Our news here is dominated by a woman who killed and 
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Wow! That looks *very* good.



2016-06-01 23:04 GMT+02:00 Moose


> Here's the six shot stack that worked. <
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Here, at least, there is more to it than diet, and the definition (a legal
one, of course) extends to the difference between "free range" and
"Organic". There is a discussion of UK standards here:
http://organicagcentre.ca/Docs/AnimalWelfare/Soil%20Association/Welfare%20st
andards%20organic%20v%20free%20range.pdf  from which I have extracted the
following (reformatted to suit posting) whoch shows that there are
significant animal welfare differences between organic and free range eggs.
 
Standards for organic & free-range egg laying chickens

Free-range
Flock size                                      No limit (typically several
thousand)
Fresh grass (resting pasture)                   No requirement for resting
land
Time spent roaming (outside access)             Continuous daytime access
Stocking density                                12 birds/m
Space outside                                   4 m / bird (2.5m with
rotation)
Shelter in range area                           Yes
Beak trimming                                   Yes

Soil Association        (Organic)
Flock size                                      2,000 birds (500
recommended)    
Fresh grass (resting pasture)                   Min. 9 months between
batches 
Time spent roaming (outside access)             All laying life 
Stocking density                                6 birds/m       
Space outside                                   10 m / bird     
Shelter in range area                           Yes     
Beak trimming                                   No      

Piers




-----Original Message-----
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:-) that one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_egg_production

But we never purchase them as they are much more expensive and you never 
know if they are really better.

C.H.Ling


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Philippe" <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx>


Shell apart in part, what is a non organic egg?

This?
http://tinyurl.com/jd6x65z

Amities
Philippe


Le 3 juin 2016 à 09:54, "C.H.Ling" <ch_photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> Most eggs are fine here even most of them are non orgainc. We always eat 
> non
> fully cooked eggs, at least the yolk (Sunny Side Up Eggs).
>
> C.H.Ling
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Manley" <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx>
>
>
>> Raw eggs are fine if they come from organically raised chickens!!  We eat
>> raw eggs every day from our chickens.  It's the processing that causes
>> problems.
>>
>>
>> Tina
>>
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They're not as cheap as they used to be, but they are low budget as fixed
wing goes, and they are like a flying shake table. If I had government
money, I would outfit a Caravan for this.

But think, 100 of these flying around? That's scary. Good news is they are
far from silent so listen for the sound of giant bees overhead.

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Hi Bill,

It's a 2010 206H, and they have more than 100 of them.  Not so low budget.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 6/4/2016 10:53 PM, Bill Pearce wrote:
> A low budget operation, that's a Light single Cessna, something like a 182
> or a 206.
> their equipment must be able to take a lot of vibration.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Nichols
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 5:27 PM
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>
> I left the house with rainy day gear because of threatening weather, the
> Oly E-1 with ZD 35/3.5 lens.  The ball game was called off, so I stopped
> by the airport, where folks were waiting for jumpers to start appearing
> from the threatening clouds.  We could occasionally see the Twin Otter
> jump plane as it reached jump altitude, so I hiked out to the landing
> zone, while watching dark clouds and rain approaching from the west.
>
> The first to land was a bright orange and white chute.  You may note
> that the skies get progressively darker with each image.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046088fm_filtered.tif.html
>
> The first of three tandem jumpers passed overhead.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046096fm_filtered.tif.html
>
> The second tandem pair made a nice approach and landing.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046100fm.tif.html
>
> The third tandem pair appear to be the same ones I posted a few days
> ago, with the big smile.  The smile is still there.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046110fm_filtered.tif.html
>
> These jumpers savored the moment as the chute settled to the ground.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046112fm_filtered.tif.html
>
> With the rain getting closer, the folks loaded up for the trip back to
> the hangar.  First, the "Gator", that  picks up any that land some
> distance away.  No need for that today.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046113fm.tif.html
>
> Next, the main transport cart and canopy trailer.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046117fm.tif.html
>
> As I headed toward my car, I noted an airplane with strange gear
> attached, resembling the surveillance gear often seen on military
> helicopters.  I snapped a couple of images.  Some online searching told
> me that this was an FBI surveillance aircraft, operated by a "front"
> company in Virginia.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046119fm.tif.html
>
> As soon as I reached my vehicle, the clouds cut loose.
>
> All with the Oly E-1 and ZD 35/3.5 at ISO 400
>
> Comments and critiques welcomed and appreciated.
>

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Yes,
Sorry we missed the Biltmore and gardens as well as the arboretum--on my short 
list for the area.  Our first priority was to visit my Aunt Frieda and Uncle 
Bob and check out a few horsey places.
Frieda is pushing her mid 80's and played singles tennis until a month or so 
ago and seems to play more pickleball now.  I had never heard of such a thing.  
She went back to school at about age 40
and attained  her Ph.D. in virology.  Her lab was attached to the medical 
school and I would stop  by now and again while a student. She was active in 
research for about 20 years.  She had me over (with my med school roommate) for 
dinner frequently and sent me back with care packages.
I had no direct link to that image but it was in the gallery--first use of in 
the GM-5 included flash  had to dial in about -2 FEC and triggered/adjusted 
with phone app.  Not sure I look perky often but  experimenting with  photo 
gear always helps.
Marnie is another story.

Mike






On 5/30/2016 1:47 PM, Mike Gordon via olympus wrote:

. . .

It is rather hot and a bit of a one horse town:


http://www.olyendomike.com/North-Carolina-5-2016/i-7MtXXVZ/A

We only scratched the surface of Asheville,  but it has some wonderful
architecture as well as  more elevation  (cooler) than Tryon.



Didn't see much of the city when I was there, but Biltmore is definitely worth 
a visit. Makes the Crane Estate look like what it was, a summer house. The 
restaurant in the old carriage house was worth it, too.


We passed by the Grove Park Inn, and learned how Edwin Wiley Grove made his
many millions and was able to build the place:

I was able to quickly photograph an original postcard sized ad.  See this:

http://www.olyendomike.com/North-Carolina-5-2016/i-cJRnd3d/A

Malaria was rampant and he made the quinine  concoction not bitter.


Oh, now I get it. I saw the pic before this explanation.


As of now I think we liked Hendersonville the best, which is where my Aunt and
Uncle spend the Spring, Summer and Fall.


Is that you guys with them in the pic? You guys look good, pretty perky,
unaffected by the heat. :-)


Travelogue Moose



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A lovely song indded.


jh






On 6/3/2016 9:09 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote:
> In LR you have the Sync Settings button which will apply any settings you
> choose from one image and apply it to one or many other images.
> Jez
>
> On 3 June 2016 at 09:17, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> One may then use Image=>Adjustment=>Match Color to match WB between the
>> two shots. Actually, if one shot looks right at first, one may just match
>> the other to it. I think only PS does that?
>>
>>
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Chuck hasn't replied because it's possible that this Super Sonic Wave
Filter thing is something that does need to be treated differently.
I've read that's the case but have been very busy lately and haven't had
the time or the need to research it.

I read the cautions on places like DPReview one of which was quoting an
email from Oly service.  There are 2 specific cautions:
1)  When the power is off the SSWF is loose and free to move about.
     What problems this might cause is unspecified.
2)  If the SSWF is cleaned with liquid and a swab it will remove the
     anti-static coating on the SSWF.  If Oly techs use liquid in the
     cleaning they also renew the anti-static coating.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
My very strong take-away from this is throw out the swabs and liquids.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

It was also commented there that Oly would clean the OM-D cameras free
for a period of 2 years after purchase. You, of course, have to pay the
shipping.  Then, of course, I've read these comments on the web but have
yet to find any place on OlympusAmerica.com to substantiate *any* of it.

What did give me pause, however, was finding this diagram of the "Dust
Reduction System" on the OM-Ds on the Oly site.  See:
<http://www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/technology/reduction/dust-reduction.html>
I have to admit being shocked to discover the system is unlike anything
I imagined... you can't get to the sensor because it is hermetically
sealed behind two rubber dust seals all of which is behind the
supersonic wave filter which pretty much covers the entire opening of
the lens mount... far more than the sensor and its low-pass filter.

I have suspected from time-to-time over the last several months that I
was picking up a faint shadow in sky areas.  Because this topic is not
on the list I reviewed a lot of photos and couldn't find anything to
reinforce my memory.  But I did just take a look at my SSWF under a 3X
magnifier and a strong light.  I could clearly see two tiny white spots
on the filter.

I'm still really busy (working on my Dad's estate) but I do need to try
and clean those spots off.  You can bet I will not be using swabs and
liquid on the E-M1 (especially as I gave up those methods long ago as
expensive, time consuming and unreliable even on my 5D)

My 5D cleaning methods had evolved over several years to using a Rocket
Blower, then a small piece of new Swiffer (vacuum it after cutting to
avoid loose bits of cut fiber) and finally the use of a LensPen
SensorKlear sensor cleaner.  I suspect Moose's air blast is probably
pretty effective as well (but I don't have any partially empty ones)

I will keep trying to find out if Oly truly does offer a free cleaning
service for cameras less than 2 years old since mine is only 18 months
old.  If so I may take advantage of that service.  Otherwise my intent
will be to see if the Rocket Blower fixes it, or if the Swiffer fixes it
or if the corner of a piece of lint free paper fixes it or,  finally, a
light touch of one of the SensorKlear's triangular tips fixes it... the
latter attempt only against the two, specific, offending dust spots.

But swabs and liquid... never more on anything.

ps:  The SensorKlear worked very well on the 5D but one has to use some
fairly vigorus scrubbing at times.  I was nervous at first when applying
a lot of pressure but it works and doesn't harm the sensor. I'm not so
comfortable putting a lot of pressure on the SSWF so my use of the
SensorKlear will be very limited in scope.

Chuck Norcutt



On 5/31/2016 1:30 PM, Moose wrote:
> On 5/31/2016 7:56 AM, Paul Braun wrote:
>> Nope. I know that's bad. Just waiting until I have the requisite $80
>> for a pack of swabs and a bottle of juice.
>
> 1. Chuck did research and practical testing around this method, and
> posted instructions for a MUCH cheaper, and equally safe and effective
> procedure. I'm surprised he hasn't reposted it already.
>
> 2. You are dealing with something a bit different, one bit of stuff
> sticking to a generally very effective dust removal system.
>
> I'm pretty sure I've dealt with such a thing on my E-M5 at least once. I
> can't exactly remember the details, but here's what I'd try, before
> doing a complete wash down of the whole surface. As suggested, it's
> nature may be a thin film or something else more easily damaged than
> sensors without the same system.
>
> 1. You are an audio nut, with fancy turntable, etc., no? Might you have
> an ionic static dis-charger for vinyl? Mine looks like this. I've tested
> it with something very staticy, and it actually works very well to
> remove the static charge. If so, liberally shoot it into the camera with
> sensor exposed. It may be useful to do so with the camera pointing down.
> If you happen to have one of the old radioactive ones, looked like a
> teardrop, Grab it with something so you can hold it close and aimed at
> the offending thingie.
>
> 2. If the bit of stuff hasn't let go and floated away, encourage it with
> some moving air. Common instruction is to use only rubber bulb blowers.
> I say that's to avoid advising incompetents. If the ear syringe of
> Rocket Blaster doesn't knock it loose, reionize, then . . .
> A can of Dust-Off that is partially empty used properly is quite safe.
> (Yes, I put aside partially used ones and start new ones.) The danger is
> if the can is tilted while pretty full, so that liquid is expelled. So
> don't do that, hold a fairly used can perfectly vertically, and blast away.
>
> 3. If it's still on there, try gentle mechanical means on just the
> problem bit. If you have something lint free, a KimWipe, cut off corner
> of a microfiber lens cleaning cloth, the model of Swiffer Chuck has
> recommended, etc., attach to the end of a tiny dowel, Q-tip shaft with
> the cotton removed, or similar, and see if a gentle touch, possibly not
> even touching the dust shaker surface, if your touch is that good, will
> dislodge it. The corner of a LensPen SensorKlear sensor cleaner is also
> a safe bet.
>
> The first effort is to just work on dislodging the one thing, not
> complete cleaning of the whole surface. If I had to go beyond that, I'd
> first try the LensPen SensorKlear. I have one, and have used it
> successfully on Canon sensors. A number of reviews on Amazon say that it
> worked better than the liquid systems. (Did I use a corner to dislodge a
> bit of fluff on the E-M5? I'm just not sure.)
>
> Gentle Escalation Moose
>
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Raw eggs are fine if they come from organically raised chickens!!  We eat
raw eggs every day from our chickens.  It's the processing that causes
problems.


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On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Christopher Crawford <
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> Raw dough is dangerous because it contains raw eggs in most recipes for
> baked goods, not because of the flour.
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> >Some of these who got ill reported eating raw dough.  My wife (the
> >baker) does it all the time.  CDC says don't do that.
> >
> >Chuck Norcutt
> >
> >
> >On 6/2/2016 6:44 PM, Christopher Crawford wrote:
> >> Since flour is usually used for baked goods (bread, cake, cookies,
> >>etc.),
> >> I would think that being in an oven at 300+ degrees for ten minutes or
> >> whatever would be deadly to any bacteria in the flour anyway?
> >>
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Thanks Brian,

I just asked Alice, and she couldn't remember, they've been there for so long.

Shall we just call them Madame Alice ?   ;-)

Philippe under pounding rain again


Le 4 juin 2016 à 13:29, bj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx a écrit :

> Which rose variety?
> 
> Cheers, Brian
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> Links:
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Hi Tina,

If you ever want your money from them , they will need your bank info to 
transfer it, so if that threatens you, set up an account to use only with pay 
pal.

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> On Jun 1, 2016, at 07:53, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> PESO:
>
> Somebody bought one of my prints on Fine Art America and paid with PayPal.
> I got a notice from PayPal yesterday that they canceled the purchase and
> refunded the money to the buyer because I am not a "verified" member of
> PayPal.  According to the PayPal website, in order to become a verified
> member, I have to send them my bank account information or sign up for
> their PayPal credit card.
>
> I have been using PayPal for years to send and receive all kinds of
> payments and have never run into this before.  I've sent them an inquiry
> about why they are doing this now but haven't heard back.
>
> Has anybody else run into this problem?
>
> I don't want to send them my bank account information or use their credit
> card!!
>
> Tina
>
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> On Jun 2, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Ken Norton <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>> Portra is a fantastic film now. Not that it was ever "bad", but it is
>>> super good for scanning and then you can "McCurry" the snot out of it
>>> in Photoshop
>
>> Way to throw some shade! Haha.
>
> "Verbing" is "art". Using verbs is just writing. Changing the meaning
> of verbs is politics.

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There is a sensor difference as well, it is not only about the number of
pixels: <
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EOS-1200D-versus-Olympus-OM-D-E-M5___940_793
>

And sometimes, when it is really a cheap kit, they still don't sell the IS
version of the 18-55mm with the 1x00D series....


> On 4 Jun 16, at 06:06, Bill Pearce wrote:
> >
> > Honestly, I'm surprised there's a visible difference between 16 and 18 .
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What a fun, excited group of kids!

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I guess I'd better learn to be more observant.  I've searched for the
equivalent diagram for OM-D but can't find anything.  This is the
closest thing I've found but it's pretty much worthless other than
showing that it's different from four thirds.  Scroll about 40% down the
page to "Supersonic Dust Reduction"
<http://cameras.olympus.com/omd/en-us/technology/>

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/2/2016 4:10 AM, Piers Hemy wrote:
> The cutaway of a camera body is obviously an E-300 or E-330, and therefore
> NOT inaccurate, as the mirror is to the side of the lens throat, closer to
> the reader, as in the Pen F SLR. I guess they chose to use the E-3x0 to
> avoid having to move the SSWF and shutter forward for "clarity".
>
> Curious, though, that the E-3x0 cameras do not feature in the side bar (nor
> do E-450 and E-5, which presumably dates the page to at least seven years
> ago.
>
> Piers
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [OM] E-M5 sensor cleaning?
>
> On 6/1/2016 5:06 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>> . . .
>>
>> What did give me pause, however, was finding this diagram of the "Dust
> Reduction System" on the OM-Ds on the Oly site.
>
> Weeellll, not quite. It's for the 4/3 DSLRs
>
>> See:
> <http://www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/technology/reduction/dust-reduction.html
>> I have to admit being shocked to
>> discover the system is unlike anything I imagined... you can't get to the
> sensor because it is hermetically sealed
>> behind two rubber dust seals all of which is behind the supersonic wave
> filter which pretty much covers the entire
>> opening of the lens mount... far more than the sensor and its low-pass
> filter.
>
> The cutaway of a camera body is obviously inaccurate, as there is no room
> for the mirror. I imagine the SSWF and shutter
> were moved forward for "clarity".
>
> I'd imagine that the system for OM-Ds is similar in concept, but different
> in detail.
>
>> I have suspected from time-to-time over the last several months that I was
> picking up a faint shadow in sky areas.
>> Because this topic is not on the list I reviewed a lot of photos and
> couldn't find anything to reinforce my memory.
>> But I did just take a look at my SSWF under a 3X magnifier and a strong
> light.  I could clearly see two tiny white
>> spots on the filter.
>
> I'm pretty sure that I was surprised by a shadow on my E-M5 some time ago. I
> got rid of it, but don't remember how.
>
> De Spotted Moose
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spot on!
Ph

Le 3 juin 2016 à 14:25, "Wayne Harridge" <wayne.harridge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a 
écrit :

> A new TOPE theme:  SENSOR SPOTS !
> 
> ...Wayne
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olympus
> [mailto:olympus-bounces+wayne.harridge=structuregraphs.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> ] On Behalf Of Chuck Norcutt
> Sent: Friday, 3 June 2016 1:05 AM
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> Subject: [OM] OM-D E-M1 sensor dust
> 
> Curiosity got the best of me.  I couldn't delay any more without having a
> serious look at the sensor.  Close inspection showed several spots on the
> sensor.  One was quite large and very visible, the other very light and not
> so easily seen.  As you'll see they're close to each other.  All the spots
> except these 2 were blown away by the Rocket blower.
> 
> Probably the dust shaker would have gotten rid of the loose ones as well.  I
> surmised that since, while working on cleaning the sensor, new spots would
> spontaneously show up.  It was clear these were falling out of the air onto
> the sensor.  Holding the camera upright and turning it on and off got rid of
> them... except the 2 that remained throughout.
> 
> I decided to try the SensorKlear right away.  I first tried some light
> touches with one of the triangular tips.  That had no effect and showed me
> that the dust shaker is very loose.  But it only slides up/down/sideways (on
> the same plane).  As I tried applying more pressure it became clear that the
> filter will not stay still unless you drag it to one of its extremes. At
> that point you can apply as much pressure as I used to use on the Canon 5D.
> But I must have passed over that small spot 15-20 times using gradually more
> pressure on each pass... enough so that on a couple passes I heard the tip
> of the SensorKlear make the glass squeak.  But there was no joy.  I didn't
> try the smaller spot so both remain.
> 
> I've posted images of what these spots look like at various apertures from
> f/22 down to f/5.6. From f/22-f/11 they're pretty ugly.
> <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId=20202>
> 
> A big surprise is that neither of these spots is something I'd seen before.
> Where I had previously thought there was dust was in the upper left corner.
> Nothing there today.
> 
> Since I can't remove this big spot (and maybe the smaller one as well) I'm
> going to have to send this to Oly and hope they'll clean it for free.
> 
> Chuck Norcutt
> 
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On 5/31/2016 2:26 PM, DZDub wrote:
> One last focus-stack series:
>
> http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 183
>
> Please compare to the previous two images, which are a single image at f4
> (to provide comparison of the background) and a "control" image at f16.

That's worked nicely.

How Deep Moose

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> But it is a great hymn, whatever its number :-)

Agreed. I do realize that I bordered on sacrilegious with that one,
but figured that everybody here is a grown up and understood that I'm
NOT saying that the 35-80 is God.

It's rather interesting, regarding Hymns. We're used to our church
services bordering on rock-and-roll concerts. For the past six months,
my wife has been preaching in Presbyterian and Congregational
churches. It's like a time warp. Not better, not worse, just
different.

AG
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Another Bravo! for the mouse over.

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On 6/3/2016 2:39 PM, Philippe wrote:
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> The mouse over feature is a real bonus Chris, well done!
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> and thanks :-)
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> Amities
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     I wonder if this is similar to a Fresnel lens, using discrete magnifying 
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It seems to me you misunderstand your tools and there are ways to avoid this 
sort of problem.

First, Auto White Balance is not magic. No Godlike being, that sees all and 
knows all, looks at the subject and divines
the true colors of all parts of it. It works in the simplest versions by 
assuming that the average of all colors is a
neutral gray. More sophisticated versions work by guessing what the subject may 
be and using that to work from.

Most of the major makers have analyzed zillions of images to determine, for 
example, what a beach scene in sun "looks
like", generically. When in their smart auto modes, they decide what the 
subject likely is, and jigger all sorts of
settings to set WB, brightness, contrast, etc. In other modes, with auto WB 
set, they will do much the same thing, but
only adjust WB.

The trouble is when subjects are outside the range of initial examples. Then, 
an inaccurate ID will be made, and the WB
will be off.

I have no idea how Leica does this. I can't imagine they have done the 
extensive research and analysis the majors have.
Perhaps they bought algorithms from Panny? Use a simple gray balance?

Then there's the problem you originally asked about, two shots, seconds apart, 
with different WB. As Philippe pointed
out, that's because you have Auto WB set 'on' in the camera and the color 
content of the two shots is different.

Might I suggest that you eschew AWB, pretty much always, but certainly when 
outside with natural light. AWB is trying to
adjust so that the colors of everything look like they were shot in middle of 
the day sunlight. But that's not what our
eyes see. I find that fixed WB setting for daylight almost always gives results 
that are more natural to my eye than
what AWB does. In this particular case, the question you had would not have 
arisen; the two shots would have had the
same WB, and looked right beside each other with no adjustment.

=================On to WB adjustment in LR and PS. Obviously, the two products 
have different AWB engines. Why, I don't know, but that's
the way it is. Obviously, too, at least one of them failed to properly balance 
the scene. That doesn't surprise me, as
it is not the sort of "normal" mix of colors with which they work best.

I VERY seldom use AWB in PS, mostly only when color is clearly off and I have 
trouble getting it right with the WB
droppers. One time I'll try AWB, and bingo, it's perfect. Other times, it can 
be WAY off.

I think if you had been using daylight WB in the camera, you would have found 
these scenes looked good right out of the box.

Once I have a WB that's off, the first thing I do is look for neutral things in 
the scene. in this case, the plastic
cover over a row of plants looks pretty good, and the light fixtures above the 
path look very neutral gray. In PS, where
there are balancing tools for whites and blacks, as well as gray, the black 
robes look useful, as well. In fact, when I
use the gray droppers, the results in LR and PS are almost identical, varying 
slightly pretty much only in
brightness/contrast, and look natural to me.

One may then use Image=>Adjustment=>Match Color to match WB between the two 
shots. Actually, if one shot looks right at
first, one may just match the other to it. I think only PS does that?

W. B. Moose

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They are lovely, Philippe.  And may the flood water recede for you and your 
countrymen (and for Germans, of course).

Chris

> On 3 Jun 16, at 19:26, Philippe <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Shot this afternoon in between downpours ?
> 
> Starts here, and the next 5
> 
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Straight+from+the+garden-2603.jpg.html
>  
> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Straight+from+the+garden-2603.jpg.html>
> 
> I might presumptuously add that I presume they may all be seen large :-)

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I left the house with rainy day gear because of threatening weather, the
Oly E-1 with ZD 35/3.5 lens.  The ball game was called off, so I stopped
by the airport, where folks were waiting for jumpers to start appearing
from the threatening clouds.  We could occasionally see the Twin Otter
jump plane as it reached jump altitude, so I hiked out to the landing
zone, while watching dark clouds and rain approaching from the west.

The first to land was a bright orange and white chute.  You may note
that the skies get progressively darker with each image.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046088fm_filtered.tif.html

The first of three tandem jumpers passed overhead.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046096fm_filtered.tif.html

The second tandem pair made a nice approach and landing.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046100fm.tif.html

The third tandem pair appear to be the same ones I posted a few days
ago, with the big smile.  The smile is still there.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046110fm_filtered.tif.html

These jumpers savored the moment as the chute settled to the ground.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046112fm_filtered.tif.html

With the rain getting closer, the folks loaded up for the trip back to
the hangar.  First, the "Gator", that  picks up any that land some
distance away.  No need for that today.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046113fm.tif.html

Next, the main transport cart and canopy trailer.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046117fm.tif.html

As I headed toward my car, I noted an airplane with strange gear
attached, resembling the surveillance gear often seen on military
helicopters.  I snapped a couple of images.  Some online searching told
me that this was an FBI surveillance aircraft, operated by a "front"
company in Virginia.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046119fm.tif.html

As soon as I reached my vehicle, the clouds cut loose.

All with the Oly E-1 and ZD 35/3.5 at ISO 400

Comments and critiques welcomed and appreciated.

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Curiosity got the best of me.  I couldn't delay any more without having
a serious look at the sensor.  Close inspection showed several spots on
the sensor.  One was quite large and very visible, the other very light
and not so easily seen.  As you'll see they're close to each other.  All
the spots except these 2 were blown away by the Rocket blower.

Probably the dust shaker would have gotten rid of the loose ones as
well.  I surmised that since, while working on cleaning the sensor, new
spots would spontaneously show up.  It was clear these were falling out
of the air onto the sensor.  Holding the camera upright and turning it
on and off got rid of them... except the 2 that remained throughout.

I decided to try the SensorKlear right away.  I first tried some light
touches with one of the triangular tips.  That had no effect and showed
me that the dust shaker is very loose.  But it only slides
up/down/sideways (on the same plane).  As I tried applying more pressure
it became clear that the filter will not stay still unless you drag it
to one of its extremes. At that point you can apply as much pressure as
I used to use on the Canon 5D.  But I must have passed over that small
spot 15-20 times using gradually more pressure on each pass... enough so
that on a couple passes I heard the tip of the SensorKlear make the
glass squeak.  But there was no joy.  I didn't try the smaller spot so
both remain.

I've posted images of what these spots look like at various apertures
from f/22 down to f/5.6. From f/22-f/11 they're pretty ugly.
<http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 202>

A big surprise is that neither of these spots is something I'd seen
before.  Where I had previously thought there was dust was in the upper
left corner.  Nothing there today.

Since I can't remove this big spot (and maybe the smaller one as well)
I'm going to have to send this to Oly and hope they'll clean it for free.

Chuck Norcutt


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Does look interesting and all...

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Ken Norton <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Very nice. Something tells me that I need to spearmint with this
> focus-pocus stacking thing.
>
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Le 1 juin 2016 à 14:53, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> PESO:
> 
> Somebody bought one of my prints on Fine Art America and paid with PayPal.
> I got a notice from PayPal yesterday that they canceled the purchase and
> refunded the money to the buyer because I am not a "verified" member of
> PayPal.  According to the PayPal website, in order to become a verified
> member, I have to send them my bank account information or sign up for
> their PayPal credit card.
> 
> I have been using PayPal for years to send and receive all kinds of
> payments and have never run into this before.  I've sent them an inquiry
> about why they are doing this now but haven't heard back.
> 
> Has anybody else run into this problem?
> 
> I don't want to send them my bank account information

That's about standard procedure over here.
No problem so far
Ph



> or use their credit
> card!!
> 
> Tina
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  Beautiful image, Brian. One of these days I will get to NZ, just have to
get the last child out of college. Good luck with the house. We built our
house 15 years ago and it is not a process I wish to repeat. Mine, however,
was voluntary.

Charlie

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 6:21 AM, <bj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Here's a view near the site of my boat misadventures. The
> peak in the distance has the name 'Leaning Rock'.
>
>
> http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 185
>
> Our latest House
> rebuild news from Clyde.
>
> Yesterday we had meetings with our insurance
> co-ordinator to tie things together, but there are more details to
> come.
> An hour later we were joined by the Project Manager from Breens
> Construction which is the company selected by state Insurance for our
> rebuild. Competitive tender, and Breens are a very reputable company,
> very well run.
> Main features; rebuild will not start until September;
> there are not enough building tradies in Central, and their work
> schedule is full. Might be in by Christmas but I would not put money on
> that.
> I managed to get 2nd quote for triple glazing (thermally broken
> frames, low E glass, argon filled) and we can just afford it with
> prudent management; not a company that Breens deals with, but 'their'
> company does not do triple glazing :-(
> They will have to get along
> together - hope their (Viridian / Vistalite / Fletcher Glass) standards
> are up to Breens expectations.
> We will also have thicker walls (150 x 40
> not 90 x 40 (mm) studs) and insulation to match also in the
> ceilings.
> The kitchen will be moved 1 metre to the west so that the
> vestibule at the (now to be main entrance, from the driveway) is a
> better size. The flow one effects of this will add nearly $10,000 to the
> cost. $2,800/square metre is the figure they use.
>
> We should have a
> warm house as a result; better than the base standard required by the
> building code. The triple glazing I specified has an R value 50% greater
> than the best double glazing.
>
> Other news is that on 10 June I go to
> Dunedin to Mercy Hospital for 90 minutes surgery on my nose to remove a
> basal cell carcinoma I spotted a few days ago. Patrick Dawes is the
> surgeon; he did Maggie's nose a few years back for a much worse kind of
> cancer. He tells wicked jokes when he's cutting and pasting skin ...
>
>
> Cheers, Brian
>
> --
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     News here has been (by way of NASA) that it broke up and the fragments are 
southwest between Payson and Showlow.

>
>  News this morning describes it as a three meter "asteroid". My guess is
>it entered and exited the atmosphere without making landfall. That would
>leave a mark. Speaking of meteorites, I'm in the middle of reading Paul
>Theroux's "Last Train to Zona Verde" and he mentions a large iron meteorite
>that is a popular tourist attraction in Namibia. Curious, I looked up the
>town on G**gle Maps and you can just make out the 3mx3mx1m, 60 ton lump of
>iron in the satellite images. Easier seen here:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoba_meteorite.
>


Chris

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Joel,

Never mind.

Bill

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On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Piers Hemy <piers@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I have some sympathy with your lack of interest in the 24mm lens, Bill,
> but am completely puzzled by your antipathy towards kissing my sister
> (either of them, matter of fact) even if it's only theoretical. Is it
> something *I* did or said?
>
> Piers
>

Bill might prefer to kiss my sisters.  I don't have any.

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On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 2:28 AM, Peter Klein <pklein@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> More from our delightful visit to Pender Island, courtesy of Howard and
> Esther.
>
> Canadian constructivism:
> <
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/27135704730/in/dateposted-public/
> >
> Howard the eagle whisperer:
> <
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/27377647236/in/dateposted-public/
> >
> The eagle was not listening:
> <
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/27135706430/in/dateposted-public/
> >
> The gang:
> <
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/27377651476/in/dateposted-public/
> >
> I just liked this, so I took it:
> <
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/27135707720/in/dateposted-public/
> >
>
> Olympus E-M5 and Panasonic/Leica 25/1.4 Summilux or Olympus 45/1.8. Enjoy!
>

Especially like the first shot.  Enjoyed the narrative, as usual.  Could be
my monitor, but all seem quite cool.  Maybe that's the point.  I might warm
them up a trifle if mine.

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I got a phone call about this from one of the grocery stores we
patronize.  Long phone message with a final suggestion to call General
Mills or check the website <http://www.generalmills.com/flour>

I did both and am glad I checked the website.  We have one opened and
partially used 5 lb bag of Gold Medal flour and another that had not
been opened.  The one which had not been opened was bought the same day
as the other.  The page above gives specific "use by dates" as affected
by the recall for each of their products.  The use by date on our
package was 6 weeks beyond anything affected by the recall so we're not
going to take it back.

You might want to check this site along with what's on your shelf.

Chuck Norcutt
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Let her not come Nova Scotia's way !

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On 6/3/2016 7:37 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>      Bonnie has strengthened to tropical storm status, traveling eastward 
> north of Bermuda.
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>      Our bonnie lies over the ocean.  :{b
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> Chris
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Very nice.  I really like the one of Selena.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> In other words, another very mixed week in Alicante. There are portraits
> of my in-laws and my daughter, there is a choral performance, there are
> landscapes, there is good food, there are happy people, there are
> beachscapes, there are pretty little flowers, and of course an orange kitty
> as well:
>
> http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id28
>
> As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated.
>
> Nathan
>
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu
> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws <
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> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator <
> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>
> YNWA
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Hi Bill,

It's a 2010 206H, and they have more than 100 of them.  Not so low budget.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 6/4/2016 10:53 PM, Bill Pearce wrote:
> A low budget operation, that's a Light single Cessna, something like a
> 182 or a 206.
> their equipment must be able to take a lot of vibration.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Nichols
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 5:27 PM
> To: LUG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Olympus Camera Discussion
> Subject: [OM] IMG: From the Airport
>
> I left the house with rainy day gear because of threatening weather, the
> Oly E-1 with ZD 35/3.5 lens.  The ball game was called off, so I stopped
> by the airport, where folks were waiting for jumpers to start appearing
> from the threatening clouds.  We could occasionally see the Twin Otter
> jump plane as it reached jump altitude, so I hiked out to the landing
> zone, while watching dark clouds and rain approaching from the west.
>
> The first to land was a bright orange and white chute.  You may note
> that the skies get progressively darker with each image.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046088fm_filtered.tif.html
>
> The first of three tandem jumpers passed overhead.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046096fm_filtered.tif.html
>
> The second tandem pair made a nice approach and landing.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046100fm.tif.html
>
> The third tandem pair appear to be the same ones I posted a few days
> ago, with the big smile.  The smile is still there.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046110fm_filtered.tif.html
>
> These jumpers savored the moment as the chute settled to the ground.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046112fm_filtered.tif.html
>
> With the rain getting closer, the folks loaded up for the trip back to
> the hangar.  First, the "Gator", that  picks up any that land some
> distance away.  No need for that today.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046113fm.tif.html
>
> Next, the main transport cart and canopy trailer.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046117fm.tif.html
>
> As I headed toward my car, I noted an airplane with strange gear
> attached, resembling the surveillance gear often seen on military
> helicopters.  I snapped a couple of images.  Some online searching told
> me that this was an FBI surveillance aircraft, operated by a "front"
> company in Virginia.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046119fm.tif.html
>
> As soon as I reached my vehicle, the clouds cut loose.
>
> All with the Oly E-1 and ZD 35/3.5 at ISO 400
>
> Comments and critiques welcomed and appreciated.
>

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Thanks Moose for the explanations.

For my part, I always use auto wb in the camera and have the WB in LR set to AS 
IS - then if I want to address an issue I use the eyedropper as you said, until 
what I get pleases my eyes on my monitor. Should it not, I try turning it BW as 
Nathan said. Else I dump it ;-)

Amities
Philippe

Le 3 juin 2016 à 10:17, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> It seems to me you misunderstand your tools and there are ways to avoid this 
> sort of problem.
> 
> First, Auto White Balance is not magic. No Godlike being, that sees all and 
> knows all, looks at the subject and divines the true colors of all parts of 
> it. It works in the simplest versions by assuming that the average of all 
> colors is a neutral gray. More sophisticated versions work by guessing what 
> the subject may be and using that to work from.
> 
> Most of the major makers have analyzed zillions of images to determine, for 
> example, what a beach scene in sun "looks like", generically. When in their 
> smart auto modes, they decide what the subject likely is, and jigger all 
> sorts of settings to set WB, brightness, contrast, etc. In other modes, with 
> auto WB set, they will do much the same thing, but only adjust WB.
> 
> The trouble is when subjects are outside the range of initial examples. Then, 
> an inaccurate ID will be made, and the WB will be off.
> 
> I have no idea how Leica does this. I can't imagine they have done the 
> extensive research and analysis the majors have. Perhaps they bought 
> algorithms from Panny? Use a simple gray balance?
> 
> Then there's the problem you originally asked about, two shots, seconds 
> apart, with different WB. As Philippe pointed out, that's because you have 
> Auto WB set 'on' in the camera and the color content of the two shots is 
> different.
> 
> Might I suggest that you eschew AWB, pretty much always, but certainly when 
> outside with natural light. AWB is trying to adjust so that the colors of 
> everything look like they were shot in middle of the day sunlight. But that's 
> not what our eyes see. I find that fixed WB setting for daylight almost 
> always gives results that are more natural to my eye than what AWB does. In 
> this particular case, the question you had would not have arisen; the two 
> shots would have had the same WB, and looked right beside each other with no 
> adjustment.
> 
> ==================
> On to WB adjustment in LR and PS. Obviously, the two products have different 
> AWB engines. Why, I don't know, but that's the way it is. Obviously, too, at 
> least one of them failed to properly balance the scene. That doesn't surprise 
> me, as it is not the sort of "normal" mix of colors with which they work best.
> 
> I VERY seldom use AWB in PS, mostly only when color is clearly off and I have 
> trouble getting it right with the WB droppers. One time I'll try AWB, and 
> bingo, it's perfect. Other times, it can be WAY off.
> 
> I think if you had been using daylight WB in the camera, you would have found 
> these scenes looked good right out of the box.
> 
> Once I have a WB that's off, the first thing I do is look for neutral things 
> in the scene. in this case, the plastic cover over a row of plants looks 
> pretty good, and the light fixtures above the path look very neutral gray. In 
> PS, where there are balancing tools for whites and blacks, as well as gray, 
> the black robes look useful, as well. In fact, when I use the gray droppers, 
> the results in LR and PS are almost identical, varying slightly pretty much 
> only in brightness/contrast, and look natural to me.
> 
> One may then use Image=>Adjustment=>Match Color to match WB between the two 
> shots. Actually, if one shot looks right at first, one may just match the 
> other to it. I think only PS does that?
> 
> W. B. Moose
> 
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Oh yes, I like both of those photos, whatever the creatures are called.  I 
refer to them normally as dragonflies, but I know that there are other names.

Chris

> On 2 Jun 16, at 01:10, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On 6/1/2016 4:16 PM, Rick Beckrich wrote:
>> xxxx59 is a beaut!
>
> Thanks, I think.
>
> Do you mean _5155669? <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId896 
> <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId896>>
>
>> (pre-stacking effort?)
>
> Yes, not stacked. Taken @ 300 mm, f11, and probably cropped a fair amount. 
> When taking such shots, I try to get an angle that minimizes the depth of the 
> subject.

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PESO:

I've posted a bunch of photos from Meybod, Iran, including a weaver making
two-sided rugs that are traditional to this city, an ancient ice house, and
a dovecote:

http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I0000HJ4a7gIbjCk

To the end.

The pizza party went great last night.  We cooked 40 pizzas in the
wood-burning oven and they were delicious.  We had a brief shower that
cooled everything off and then left so we were all outside for the
evening.  Now my house is clean and I can work on photos until Tom plows
the rest of the garden and I have to go plant seeds!!

C&C greatly appreciated.

Tina

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On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 5:21 AM, <bj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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>
> Hi all,
>
> Here's a view near the site of my boat misadventures. The
> peak in the distance has the name 'Leaning Rock'.
>
>
> http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 185


Looks like the sunny route to Mordor, Brian!  I hope your journeys keep to
the sunny side henceforth.

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The basic physics is just a 2X teleconverter.  That would give the image
magnification required to cover the full frame sensor.  The problem is
that m43 has a very short register distance so the converter would also
have to move the image farther back.

But that's just the image part.  If you want the automation the lens was
designed for you've somehow got to handle and convert all those
electrical signals from a different camera.  If you don't need the
automation then just use an MF full frame lens. They are abundant and cheap.

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/2/2016 11:34 AM, Bob Benson wrote:
> Here's an uneducated question...  Given the idea of Metabones (taking FF
> lens coverage,  and reducing to M43),  and teleconvertors (adapting a lens
> coverage to achieve a longer reach)  is it imaginable to design glass that
> would take a M43 lens (is "footprint" the right word ?) and  cover a FF
> sensor?  Can the physics of it work?
>
> Bob
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Rather stunning.

----- Original Message -----From: Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx>To: Olympus Camera 
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On 6/1/2016 7:27 AM, DZDub wrote:> . . .> However, it's difficult not to 
visualize this sort of thing for a Great> Many of the kinds of things I like to 
shoot, which is a lot of disk space.

Yeah, but TBs are cheap. :-) And one may delete the ones that don't work out. 
Maybe even the originals? Nah.

> A camera that could do this on the fly would be intriguing! Hmmm...

Speaking of " . . . on the fly . . ." :-)

A secret to shooting dragonflies and damselflies is that they come back 
repeatedly to the same landing places. I saw one on a sprinkler head, so went 
and grabbed E-M5 II and Panny 100-400. Sure enough, it came back, and stayed a 
long time.

It was not, however entirely still; no way to hand stack. Here's the six shot 
stack that worked. <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 200>

Twenty some files to be deleted. At first, I trusted focus and the process to 
get the front edge. But with such a gossamer, relatively deep subject, 
projecting directly toward the camera, that didn't work. So I focused, then 
moved the camera back just a little before shooting.

That did it! I had one of a better pose, but the subject moved during the 
exposures. I think this one came out rather well.

Flying Puns Moose

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#5 did it for me.  Looks the same as many parades I've attended as a kid.

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On 6/2/2016 7:47 PM, Christopher Crawford wrote:
> Some of the spectators at the Waynedale Memorial Day Parade, sitting under
> an American flag at the corner of Old Trail Road and Waynewood Drive.
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> http://chriscrawfordphoto.com/chris-details.php?product#77
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Nicely caught. They appeared a wee bit dark on my monitor, which might be
my monitor. I think the last was my favorite.

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Philippe wrote;
>
> Shot this afternoon in between downpours ?
>
> Starts
> here, and the next
> 5
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> [1]
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On 6/1/2016 7:27 AM, DZDub wrote:
> . . .
> However, it's difficult not to visualize this sort of thing for a Great
> Many of the kinds of things I like to shoot, which is a lot of disk space.

Yeah, but TBs are cheap. :-) And one may delete the ones that don't work out. 
Maybe even the originals? Nah.

> A camera that could do this on the fly would be intriguing!  Hmmm...

Speaking of " . . . on the fly . . ." :-)

A secret to shooting dragonflies and damselflies is that they come back 
repeatedly to the same landing places. I saw one
on a sprinkler head, so went and grabbed E-M5 II and Panny 100-400. Sure 
enough, it came back, and stayed a long time.

It was not, however entirely still; no way to hand stack. Here's the six shot 
stack that worked.
<http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 200>

Twenty some files to be deleted. At first, I trusted focus and the process to 
get the front edge. But with such a
gossamer, relatively deep subject, projecting directly toward the camera, that 
didn't work. So I focused, then moved the
camera back just a little before shooting.

That did it! I had one of a better pose, but the subject moved during the 
exposures. I think this one came out rather well.

Flying Puns Moose

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Beautiful!

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On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 5:26 PM, DZDub <jdubikins@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> One last focus-stack series:
>
> http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 183
>
> Please compare to the previous two images, which are a single image at f4
> (to provide comparison of the background) and a "control" image at f16.
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> I managed to get 2nd quote for triple glazing (thermally broken
> frames, low E glass, argon filled) and we can just afford it with
> prudent management...

Later this year, we're completely overhauling the outside of our house
with new roof, siding and some windows. Our issue is getting glass for
the south-facing (sun side here in the northern hemisphere) that
maximizes passive solar reception but blocks the heat transference
from inside to out. Most of the windows available now will reduce
solar efficiency by over 75%. Not good.


> We will also have thicker walls (150 x 40
> not 90 x 40 (mm) studs) and insulation to match also in the
> ceilings.

Equivalent to 2x6s here in the USA. Standard code in most places is
for that now for exterior. Depends on where, though. Our house is
built with a double-wall, split-stud construction which has 10 inches
of insulation in the side walls for a total of about a foot thick. If
it wasn't for all the glass, we probably wouldn't ever have to run the
furnace. As part of the exterior and roofing work, we'll have the
attic insulation augmented. It was built with 18 inches, but that's
settled and blown around a bit, We'll get it back to 18 inches again,
if not more.


> The kitchen will be moved 1 metre to the west so that the
> vestibule at the (now to be main entrance, from the driveway) is a
> better size. The flow one effects of this will add nearly $10,000 to the
> cost. $2,800/square metre is the figure they use.

When we went to get insurance on our house, the insurance company did
an appraisal and forced us to up the coverage by almost $100,000 over
what we bought it for. While I dislike the slightly higher premiums
(very minimal, actually), it eliminates the issues of battling over
equivalencies and replacement costs. According to our latest estimates
on this year's renewal, is that the STRUCTURE is set at $250,000
replacement cost with an allowable $50,000 overrun. I'm glad we didn't
spend that much to buy the place, but I can certainly see how it would
cost that much to build, based not only on size, but on the extra
features of the house, such as the solar, double-wall construction,
heat-exchanger, concrete thermal mass, and so forth. We bought the
house WAY under market value for the neighborhood.

Brian, while I don't envy your situation, I see where a lot of your
frustration is in the management of the situation. You are effectively
functioning as the primary contractor on this. Best advise I've seen
on this is hire somebody to manage the project for you and go on a
long vacation and don't come back until it's done. Picking windows is
just the start to your unending nightmare.

AG
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I used to know (long since lost touch) the woman in charge of decorating 
Biltmore House for Christmas. It was quite an effort. In all my years I never 
went over to see it at Christmas. Saw it many other times. So many visiting 
friends wanted to see it we had to get one of those passes they sold for area 
residents. Damned monument to the real 1% was and is damned expensive.

Sent from my iPhone 6s Plus. This is a perfect mobile device. Any perceived 
errors in spelling, grammar, or logic are figments of your imagination.

> On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:41 AM, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On 5/31/2016 4:34 PM, Mike Gordon via olympus wrote:
>> Yes,
>> Sorry we missed the Biltmore and gardens as well as the arboretum--on my 
>> short list for the area.
>
> I saw gardens and arboretum, but a week or so before Christmas, far from 
> their peak. At least it was sunny, not snowing. OTOH, dinner was good and 
> going into the house through an atrium full of trees and lights, with a good 
> children's' chorus singing Christmas carols was pretty nice. :-)
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22-5
22-32
22-35

in that order for me this week.

Pity you didn't post the music too :-)


But a very pleasant batch once more, thanks

Amities
Philippe


Le 1 juin 2016 à 19:33, Nathan Wajsman <photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> In other words, another very mixed week in Alicante. There are portraits of 
> my in-laws and my daughter, there is a choral performance, there are 
> landscapes, there is good food, there are happy people, there are 
> beachscapes, there are pretty little flowers, and of course an orange kitty 
> as well:
> 
> http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id=1628
> 
> As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated.
> 
> Nathan
> 
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> Alicante, Spain
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> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>
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     They were the ones that got Sandy right.

>
>It looks as though the UK Met office got the forecast win.  As they
>predicted it appears to have taken a hard right off the North Carolina
>coast.  Good for the long suffering Met office.  They also have a long
>history of getting things wrong.
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>Chuck Norcutt
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>On 6/2/2016 4:35 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>>      As of this afternoon, Bonnie is back up to being a tropical depression. 
>>  And it's over water.  Sooo...
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In LR you have the Sync Settings button which will apply any settings you
choose from one image and apply it to one or many other images.
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On 3 June 2016 at 09:17, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> One may then use Image=>Adjustment=>Match Color to match WB between the
> two shots. Actually, if one shot looks right at first, one may just match
> the other to it. I think only PS does that?
>
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> On 05 Jun 2016, at 03:29, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>     I'm watching "Houseboat" on one of our broadcast movie channels, and the 
> commercials tend to be more unnerving than usual.  This time it's for a 
> device called "Bowl Light", which has a motion sensor that lights up the 
> interior of the porcelain throne so that you don't have to turn the light on 
> at night.  And you can adjust the colour to suit you.
>
>     We are not amused.
>
>
> Chris
>
> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>     - Hunter S. Thompson
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Here's another photograph from the Waynedale Memorial Day Parade yesterday
morning. This little girl rode her patriotically-decorated pedal car in the
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http://chriscrawfordphoto.com/chris-details.php?product#74

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I understand that eggs have a porous surface and that washing them tends to 
migrate anything from the outside to the inside.

Keeping them cold probably does no harm, but for the extra energy it uses.

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> On 3 Jun 2016, at 10:28, Christopher Crawford <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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> How does washing and refrigerating eggs make them less safe?

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>> Portra is a fantastic film now. Not that it was ever "bad", but it is
>> super good for scanning and then you can "McCurry" the snot out of it
>> in Photoshop

> Way to throw some shade! Haha.

"Verbing" is "art". Using verbs is just writing. Changing the meaning
of verbs is politics.

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You should post some of these on Facebook. That's what it's for. ;-)  Cute 
kittens.

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> On Jun 3, 2016, at 2:27 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> PESO:
>
> Yazd, Iran, is known for its Persian cats so we went to visit a Persian cat
> breeder that Hossein found out about.  I imagined that there would be rows
> of cages with various colors and kinds of Persian cats.  Not at all!!
> Mohammed Masarrat has a house just for the cats.  He has over 70 cats and
> kittens but has lost count.  There is a nice courtyard and litter boxes and
> food bowls and water bowls in every room of the house.  The pregnant cats
> have one room to themselves but the rest roam everywhere and anywhere.  We
> stayed about 2 hours talking to him and playing with the kittens.  It was
> about 2 hours too long.  What a smelly place!!!
>
> http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I0000t9d8MnxmWCI
>
> and on until the end if you like kittens!!  I do, but this was too much!
>
> C&C greatly appreciated.
>
> Tina
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On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Ken Norton <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Moose thus purred:
> > It was lovely, a great relationship . . .
>
> I'm so glad that you are able to get into the spirit of things.
>
>
> >> Out comes the hymn book and it ain't even Sunday. <g>
> > At least we now know what happens if a Schnozz grunts paeans in the
> forest.
> > You hear it.
>
> Let's all turn to Hymn Number 3580, How Great Thou Art.
>

I feel bad for my cheek, bro.  Sorry.  I enjoy your occasional encomiums.
And though I complain about the preacher and the choir, I'm there every
Sunday, though I only bring the Zuikos.

I do wonder if anyone is subjecting his or her Zuikos to more photon wear
than I at the moment, so maybe my soul is still hanging by a thread.

Keep faith,
Joel W.

P.S. You've got a lot of songs if it takes you 3579 tries to get to "How
Great Thou Art"!  You might like the old Methodist hymnal that started with
"Holy, Holy, Holy."
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I can't think of a reason why I would want to mount any of my 4/3
lenses on an OM body when I've got such a great collection of native
Zuikos that are screaming for more attention.

:)

AG
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On 6/1/2016 4:16 PM, Rick Beckrich wrote:
> xxxx59 is a beaut!

Thanks, I think.

Do you mean _5155669? <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId896>

> (pre-stacking effort?)

Yes, not stacked. Taken @ 300 mm, f11, and probably cropped a fair amount. When 
taking such shots, I try to get an angle
that minimizes the depth of the subject.

Depth of Moose

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Frank wrote;

There is a sensor difference as well, it is not only
about the number of
pixels:
<
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EOS-1200D-versus-Olympus-OM-D-E-M5___940_793
[1]
And sometimes, when it is really a cheap kit, they still don't sell
the IS
version of the 18-55mm with the 1x00D series....

 Thanks for the
link to that site, Frank.

It's very helpful.

Brian



Links:
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[1]
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     Out here in the mild west the weather has been fairly pleasant with 
temperatures at or just below average for weeks.  That is going to change 
abruptly this weekend with temperatures exceeding 110F (43C) from Friday 
through Monday, breaking a few records along the way.  A moderate ridge of high 
pressure will prevail through most of next week, but we may get some relief 
next weekend from a tropical cyclone forming south of Baja.

     But it's a dry heat.


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  Well white collar jobs are one thing, but I was working in a large,
multi-product chemical plant (my area was L-menthol). We had guys running
high pressure hydrogen atmosphere/ palladium catalyst reactors at 180
degrees C. Trust me, lose control of it and you make a big hole. There was
an odd contradiction. I went out drinking with these guys after work and
they always appointed a designated driver. The laws there were far more
strict than those in the US (and rightly so), yet there was no one that I
saw to make sure they were sober going back on the job. Strange.

Charlie

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Michael R. Collins <
MRC.OlympusList@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From my days of visiting Swiss clients... all the managers' offices there
> had cases of white and red, with white chilling in the adjacent fridge, and
> plenty of glassware; occasionally beer too. It was not unusual to have an
> impromptu "apero" declared on a Friday afternoon, after which little
> productive was accomplished (other than socialising). Some days less
> impromptu than others, with food brought or ordered in. And then there were
> the Kartoffelsalat competitions...
>
> At the office here (in Canada, for those who haven't analysed my language
> sufficiently), we matched most of this, which was appreciated by the
> visiting Swiss, and us. Wine was in the boardroom credenza for convenience.
>
> Seemed quite civilised, and to be emulated.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On 16-06-03 8:45 AM, Charles Geilfuss wrote:
>
>>    I would say completely unheard of here. I worked in Germany (West at
>> the
>> time) in the late 70's. Beer was served in the company cafeteria at lunch.
>> I took a pass as noon is too early for my tastes and would worsen my
>> postprandial sleepiness. I really didn't notice how many of the local
>> partook. That is simply not seen here in an official capacity. Different
>> views on alcohol and too many lawyers create a huge liability problem.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> You guys have the most interesting office of any in my experience!  For an
>>> office in the USA to have a wine-tasting is almost unheard of.  Sometimes
>>> they have wine at the annual Christmas party but that's about it!!  I
>>> have
>>> my own office and can have a wine tasting anytime I want.  Like tonight.
>>> The ladies left all of their unfinished wines here after the pizza party
>>> last night ;-)  I'd better not post any more tonight.
>>>
>>> Tina
>>>
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Philippe wrote;

Shot this afternoon in between downpours ?

Starts
here, and the next
5

http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Straight+from+the+garden-2603.jpg.html
[1]

I might presumptuously add that I presume they may all be seen
large :-)

Amities
Philippe
..........................
Beautiful roses,
wonderfully captured. I'm very envious of that shot.
The excellent dark
background sets them off very well.
Which rose variety?

Cheers, Brian




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 From the link:
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Cooke notes that he and other meteor experts are having difficulty
obtaining data on the June 2 fireball from meteor camera videos, since
many of the cameras were almost completely saturated by the bright event.
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How come the Moose hasn't advised them on avoiding blown highlights?'


Chuck Norcutt


On 6/2/2016 10:10 AM, Chris Trask wrote:
>      I was lying in bed half-awake around 0400 when this took place and I 
> remember the bedroom being brightly lit up, followed by a muffled boom.  
> Obviously I wasn't dreaming as reports of this event came from everywhere:
>
> http://www.cbs5az.com/story/32121280/possible-meteor-lights-up-sky-across-arizona?autostart=true
>
> http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/what-was-that-bright-light-streaks-across-sky
>
>
> Chris
>
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Honestly, I'm surprised there's a visible difference between 16 and 18 .

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My wife's grand-daughter, just turned 13, now has a camera.

When
it came to replacing her iPad (lost in the house fire) she opted for a
camera, and it HAD to be a Canyon.

Nothing else would do - one of her
school mates has one, as does his mother.

So she now has a Rebel 1200D
(with the 18 - 55 zoom) - which has 18 megapixels.

I would have bought
her one of the mirror-less Oly cameras, but, no.

So, my M5 has just 16
MP, and i wondered how they would compare. My lens is the 12 - 50 mm
zoom.

I did a test shot with the Canyon in identical conditions &
subject to the mountain/lake shot at
http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 185

I'm pleased to me
able to report that when the images are compared side by side in
FastStone's 'image compare' feature the M5 is clearly the sharper of the
two.

Cheers, Brian

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  News this morning describes it as a three meter "asteroid". My guess is
it entered and exited the atmosphere without making landfall. That would
leave a mark. Speaking of meteorites, I'm in the middle of reading Paul
Theroux's "Last Train to Zona Verde" and he mentions a large iron meteorite
that is a popular tourist attraction in Namibia. Curious, I looked up the
town on G**gle Maps and you can just make out the 3mx3mx1m, 60 ton lump of
iron in the satellite images. Easier seen here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoba_meteorite.

Charlie

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>      I was lying in bed half-awake around 0400 when this took place and I
> remember the bedroom being brightly lit up, followed by a muffled boom.
> Obviously I wasn't dreaming as reports of this event came from everywhere:
>
>
> http://www.cbs5az.com/story/32121280/possible-meteor-lights-up-sky-across-arizona?autostart=true
>
>
> http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/what-was-that-bright-light-streaks-across-sky
>
>
> Chris
>
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On 5/31/2016 1:40 PM, DZDub wrote:
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Ken Norton <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Feeling the need for some inspiration? Have the digital cameras with
>> tiny viewfinders and boring zoom lenses got you down?

Not in the least. My new zoom has me energized. And I'm the most VF agnostic 
person I know of.

>> Pick up an OM body and lens. Look through the viewfinder. Focus on a
>> few things.

How? Nothing happens when I half press the shutter release. Is it broken?

>> Fire that shutter. Listen to the the classic sound of the
>> cloth shutter.

OK, sounds like the old days, good and bad. But I have to admit I rather like 
the Silent Mode on E-M5 II and Panny GM
and GX series.

And then, there's the not so wonderful sound of the aperture mechanism crashing 
the lens stop down lever into its stop.

>> Just enjoy the ergonomics and experience of one of the
>> most perfect camera systems ever created.

It was lovely, a great relationship . . .

>> If you are feeling further inspired, load a roll of film in the camera
>> and go out and shoot. But even if you don't, do enjoy playing "air
>> guitar" with this technological and artistic marvel.

I'd rather take actual pix.

> Out comes the hymn book and it ain't even Sunday. <g>

At least we now know what happens if a Schnozz grunts paeans in the forest.

You hear it.

Second Hand Noise Moose

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On 6/1/2016 3:21 AM, bj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Here's a view near the site of my boat misadventures. The
> peak in the distance has the name 'Leaning Rock'.
>
>
> http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 185

Nice!
And a bit forbidding.

> Our latest House rebuild news from Clyde.
>
> . . .

Glad it's on its way. They don't reimburse you for the time and trouble you 
have to go through.

> Other news is that on 10 June I go to
> Dunedin to Mercy Hospital for 90 minutes surgery on my nose to remove a
> basal cell carcinoma I spotted a few days ago. Patrick Dawes is the
> surgeon; he did Maggie's nose a few years back for a much worse kind of
> cancer. He tells wicked jokes when he's cutting and pasting skin ...

Best of results!

Where's the Fun Moose

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:-) that one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_egg_production

But we never purchase them as they are much more expensive and you never 
know if they are really better.

C.H.Ling


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From: "Philippe" <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx>


Shell apart in part, what is a non organic egg?

This?
http://tinyurl.com/jd6x65z

Amities
Philippe


Le 3 juin 2016 à 09:54, "C.H.Ling" <ch_photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> Most eggs are fine here even most of them are non orgainc. We always eat 
> non
> fully cooked eggs, at least the yolk (Sunny Side Up Eggs).
>
> C.H.Ling
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Manley" <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx>
>
>
>> Raw eggs are fine if they come from organically raised chickens!!  We eat
>> raw eggs every day from our chickens.  It's the processing that causes
>> problems.
>>
>>
>> Tina
>>
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It's taken a while including 2 calls to Oly service to figure this out.

If you want your OM-D E-M1 cleaned by Oly service *and* you send it to
the South Hackensack, NJ service facility (instead of the Connecticut
facility) it will cost you $ 59 + sales tax and includes return shipping
of the camera. I don't know anything about a possible price difference
in Connecticut but their current service time is longer.

I was told this exact information on my first call to Olympus but was
also directed to their service page to file a service request.
<http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_servicerepair_quick_repair.asp?nj=y>
This particular page is intended for personal drop off of equipment but
it doesn't matter.  On that page you will see the link for the repair
submission form.  Use that link and create your repair submission form
(to be included in the box with the camera when you send it [sans lens
and battery])

The confusion started with the service request form which told me that
the cleaning would be $30 + $2.10 tax + $10.85 return shipping or total
= $42.95.  So, would the true price please stand up.

Another call to Olympus and a different service rep (they sound like
Russians to me).  I got an apology for the the error on their web page
and was told again that the price is $59 + tax and includes return shipping.

I had also asked about free cleaning of in-warranty cameras and was told
such a service did not exist.  I later discovered that if you purchased
the 2-year warranty extension ($90 IIRC) that you get one free checkup
and cleaning during the warranty period.  Easy to imagine how that one
got twisted around on a web site.

Chuck Norcutt



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     Bonnie has strengthened to tropical storm status, traveling eastward north 
of Bermuda.

     Our bonnie lies over the ocean.  :{b


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Shell apart in part, what is a non organic egg?

This?
http://tinyurl.com/jd6x65z

Amities
Philippe


Le 3 juin 2016 à 09:54, "C.H.Ling" <ch_photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> Most eggs are fine here even most of them are non orgainc. We always eat non
> fully cooked eggs, at least the yolk (Sunny Side Up Eggs).
> 
> C.H.Ling
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Manley" <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx>
> 
> 
>> Raw eggs are fine if they come from organically raised chickens!!  We eat
>> raw eggs every day from our chickens.  It's the processing that causes
>> problems.
>> 
>> 
>> Tina
>> 
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On 6/3/2016 5:09 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote:
> In LR you have the Sync Settings button which will apply any settings you
> choose from one image and apply it to one or many other images.

While useful, that's not what I was talking about.

Sync says "Do whatever I did to this image and do it to other(s).

PS Match Color says "Take the color palette of this image (or selected part(s)s 
of image) and apply it to this other
image (or selected part(s)s of image). Neither image need have had any 
adjustments to it, before or during this editing
session, nor do I have to know what may have been done before it was opened 
this time.

Example; there's a review just out on IR of DxO OP 11, which lauds improvements 
in NR over ver. 10, both in speed and
results and calls its NR "unrivaled".

So I download a trial of 11 and run an ISO 3200 file through both DxOs and NI 
in PS. Well, he's wrong, on pretty much
all counts. So I would like to post a roll-over example. But wait! The sample 
was shot in funny, quite mixed lighting;
the ACR one is pretty bad in WB and the DxO worse. I know from years of posting 
stuff that many/most people are
incapable of looking past a difference that is entirely irrelevant to the 
point, and seeing only that.

So, what to do? Easy, reopen via ACR, using Auto Color and Auto 
Exposure/Contrast, etc. settings, As it happens, it does
a good job. Now, do I have to do all the steps to the NI examples again? What 
about the DxO examples, when DxO has no
comparable Auto WB, etc.?

Just copy color from the newly opened PS version to the others with Match 
Color. It only matches colors, so the inherent
difference in default curve/contrast between the two Raw conversions remains, 
but the are now pretty close. If not seen
in a roll over, no one would likely notice a difference.
<http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/tech/MatchColor/_B003915PSMC.htm>

Just for illustrative fun, I also copied the color palette from Philippe's rose 
image just posted. No very attractive,
I'm afraid, but there are interesting creative possibilities . . .

Match Color can also work from just a selection in one image onto all or only 
onto a selection in another image, and has
various controls as to how it applies. Quite a powerful tool.

Hue Moose

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Moose thus purred:
> It was lovely, a great relationship . . .

I'm so glad that you are able to get into the spirit of things.


>> Out comes the hymn book and it ain't even Sunday. <g>
> At least we now know what happens if a Schnozz grunts paeans in the forest.
> You hear it.

Let's all turn to Hymn Number 3580, How Great Thou Art.

AG Schnozz
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This is what I saw when I opened my own eyes early this morning

http://www.brasserie-meteor.fr/en/#beers

Lucky me?

AMities
Philippe

Le 2 juin 2016 à 16:10, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

>     I was lying in bed half-awake around 0400 when this took place and I 
> remember the bedroom being brightly lit up, followed by a muffled boom.  
> Obviously I wasn't dreaming as reports of this event came from everywhere:
> 
> http://www.cbs5az.com/story/32121280/possible-meteor-lights-up-sky-across-arizona?autostart=true
> 
> http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/what-was-that-bright-light-streaks-across-sky
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> Chris
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You might also want to take a look at the DPReview test of the 18-55
Canon lens <http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-18-55-3p5-5p6-is-c16>
They note that this is a new version of the lens but the test is dated
2008.  Of particular interest in the middle of the test results are
these comments regarding using this lens with raw images and Canon's
Digital Photo Pro raw converter.
<http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-18-55-3p5-5p6-is-c16/4>  This
software does specific corrections for lens aberrations in conjunction
with specific bodies so the lens/body combination must be in the
supported combinations list.

While checking on this lens I also discovered that there are IS and
non-IS versions of this lens.  The cheaper ones are non-IS and that may
be what she has.  The DPReview test of of the IS version.  With the
EM-5, of course, IS is always present on any lens.

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/4/2016 1:27 AM, Moose wrote:
> On 6/3/2016 10:01 PM, bj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>> . . .
>> So she now has a Rebel 1200D
>> (with the 18 - 55 zoom) - which has 18 megapixels.
>>
>> I would have bought
>> her one of the mirror-less Oly cameras, but, no.
>>
>> So, my M5 has just 16
>> MP, and i wondered how they would compare. My lens is the 12 - 50 mm
>> zoom.
>> . . .
>>
>> I'm pleased to me
>> able to report that when the images are compared side by side in
>> FastStone's 'image compare' feature the M5 is clearly the sharper of the
>> two.
>
> The resolution difference is meaningless.
>
> 1. They have identical vertical pixels counts. The Canon is 3:2, Oly
> 4:3. The wider frame of the Canon is the only difference, giving a
> larger area of identical pixel pitch.
>
> 2. Resolution is a linear measure. Pixel count is an area (or squared)
> measure. This small a difference in pixel count, if due to a real higher
> pixel density, rather than format difference, would still be too small
> to make a difference.
>
> The big difference is almost certainly the lenses. The Canon is a cheap
> kit lens. The Oly is mid grade in Oly's lineup, above their 14-42 kit
> lenses and below their Pro 12-40/2.8. I've used the 12-50 very
> extensively, and it's a fine lens. The Oly kit lenses, too, aren't that
> bad, while the Canons kit lenses are a notch below.
>
> Nothing has really changed for entry level camera kits in decades. The
> body has to cost a certain amount to be competitive in features, so the
> cost comes out of the lens, to meet price points. A better lens would
> make a big difference, but such is the way of the world.
>
> Resolute Moose
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On 6/1/2016 7:38 AM, DZDub wrote:
> . . .
> I feel bad for my cheek, bro.  Sorry.  I enjoy your occasional encomiums.
> And though I complain about the preacher and the choir, I'm there every
> Sunday, though I only bring the Zuikos.
>
> I do wonder if anyone is subjecting his or her Zuikos to more photon wear
> than I at the moment, so maybe my soul is still hanging by a thread.

Perhaps you intended to be more un-inclusive? I exercise (M.)Zuikos on (µ4/3) 
Olympus bodies all the time. ;-)

12-50 and 75-300 have ruts in the glass from all the photons that have poured 
through.

Later Days Moose

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You guys have the most interesting office of any in my experience!  For an
office in the USA to have a wine-tasting is almost unheard of.  Sometimes
they have wine at the annual Christmas party but that's about it!!  I have
my own office and can have a wine tasting anytime I want.  Like tonight.
The ladies left all of their unfinished wines here after the pizza party
last night ;-)  I'd better not post any more tonight.

Tina

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Two pictures from today. Early this morning, I took the dog for a walk and
> fed the golf course cats along the way:
> http://www.greatpix.eu/All/Picture-A-Day/i-54cf4Kx/A
>
> Early this evening, we had a wine tasting at the office:
> http://www.greatpix.eu/All/Picture-A-Day/i-GwZRnZz/A
> The presenter was a nice guy, and the wines were all great. I will be
> buying some.
>
> Cheers,
> Nathan
>
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
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Geoff and Bron Hopkinson and Katya and I spent a night and a day on
Pender Island as guests of Howard and Esther Cummer.  Pender is in the
Gulf Islands, just east and a little north of Victoria. Washington
State's San Juan Islands are part of the same group. It was a lovely
getaway.

Here's the view from Howard and Esther's balcony:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/27318217351/in/dateposted-public/>
The girls enjoy the view:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/27318215871/in/dateposted-public/>
Bron explores a tidal pool:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/27355811806/in/dateposted-public/>
Eroded conglomerate rock at the water's edge:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/27318213771/in/dateposted-public/>
Bron at water's edge:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/27355809666/in/dateposted-public/>

More to come in a day or so...

Olympus E-M5 and Leica/Panasonic Summilux 25/1.4.  Enjoy!
--Peter

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More from our delightful visit to Pender Island, courtesy of Howard and
Esther.

Canadian constructivism:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/27135704730/in/dateposted-public/>
Howard the eagle whisperer:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/27377647236/in/dateposted-public/>
The eagle was not listening:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/27135706430/in/dateposted-public/>
The gang:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/27377651476/in/dateposted-public/>
I just liked this, so I took it:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/27135707720/in/dateposted-public/>

Olympus E-M5 and Panasonic/Leica 25/1.4 Summilux or Olympus 45/1.8. Enjoy!

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My third photograph from the Waynedale Memorial Day Parade. These kids were
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http://chriscrawfordphoto.com/chris-details.php?product#75

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  What is the reason for the recall, Chuck?

Charlie (King Arthur Flour user)

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> I got a phone call about this from one of the grocery stores we
> patronize.  Long phone message with a final suggestion to call General
> Mills or check the website <http://www.generalmills.com/flour>
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> I did both and am glad I checked the website.  We have one opened and
> partially used 5 lb bag of Gold Medal flour and another that had not been
> opened.  The one which had not been opened was bought the same day as the
> other.  The page above gives specific "use by dates" as affected by the
> recall for each of their products.  The use by date on our package was 6
> weeks beyond anything affected by the recall so we're not going to take it
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> You might want to check this site along with what's on your shelf.
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The lower level leagues, which include T-Ball and Coach Pitch, include
both boys and girls.  From my observation, at these ages, the girls are
faster and quicker on their feet than the boys. Here, "Lizzy" takes her
swing.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Lizzy+77.tif.html

Rainy day gear:  E-1 with ZD 35/3.5

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But it is a great hymn, whatever its number :-)

Chris

> On 1 Jun 2016, at 16:46, Ken Norton <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>> Let's all turn to Hymn Number 3580, How Great Thou Art.
>
>> P.S. You've got a lot of songs if it takes you 3579 tries to get to "How
>> Great Thou Art"!  You might like the old Methodist hymnal that started with
>> "Holy, Holy, Holy."
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On 6/1/2016 7:36 PM, DZDub wrote:

> Of course, it's also so much work that you don't really run up the shutter
> count.

Using the built-in E-M5 II bracketing(stacking)in silent mode, the shutter 
never moves; all electronic.

> Stunning dragonfly!

Thanks Dood!

> Did you need to FS?

As taken, I think so. It has a wing span of maybe 2" and the wings on my side 
were pointed straight at the lens. Even
the closest edge of the wing is in focus.

With dragonflies sitting with their wings flat, where I can shoot from more or 
less above, as with the other couple I
posted, it's not too hard to get good overall focus. But I generally take at 
least a few shots, aiming the AF point at
different parts, then use the best, so there's not much less shutter use in 
normal mode.

> Could you post one of the images from your stack?

There were six slices. You can see how the hand held camera moved; at 800 mm 
eq., even tiny movements are magnified.
<http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/tech/Focus%20Stacking/_A004992-97combo.jpg>

It's hard to see subject movement at this size, but there was a little wing 
movement.

Only four of the slices were used, as the last two were past focus on any of 
the subject.
<http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/tech/Focus%20Stacking/RedDragon.htm>

I think I may use eight shots, more closely spaced, for this sort of subject. 
Still learning. :-)

> Did you try f16 for comparison?

No. I'll sometimes shoot a couple at f16 of something this deep, but only after 
covering my f10-11 bases. F16 is getting
to the gray area where DoF and diffraction softening overlap. With some 
subjects, deconvolution brings detail right up,
but I can't count on it.

Slice & Dice Moose

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Just as here Chris :-) 

But my question was about NON organic eggs ?

Carbonated Philippe


Le 3 juin 2016 à 10:36, ChrisB <ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> Ho, ho, Philippe!
> 
> I think that free-range eggs might be described as organic.  Whatever the 
> definition might be, we have only the eggs from our hens, and we can eat them 
> in all sorts of ways.
> 
> I gather that the USA has a legal requirement to wash eggs before sale, then 
> to chill them when on sale.  Our eggs are neither washed nor chilled (except 
> that our kitchen is at between 14 and 18ºC most of the time).
> 
> Chris
> 
>> On 3 Jun 16, at 09:32, Philippe <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> Shell apart in part, what is a non organic egg?
>> 
>> This?
>> http://tinyurl.com/jd6x65z <http://tinyurl.com/jd6x65z>
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But how is the bokeh?

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On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 5/31/2016 2:26 PM, DZDub wrote:
>
>> One last focus-stack series:
>>
>> http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 183
>>
>> Please compare to the previous two images, which are a single image at f4
>> (to provide comparison of the background) and a "control" image at f16.
>>
>
> That's worked nicely.
>
> How Deep Moose
>

Thanks, and hats off to you, once again.

However, it's difficult not to visualize this sort of thing for a Great
Many of the kinds of things I like to shoot, which is a lot of disk space.
A camera that could do this on the fly would be intriguing!  Hmmm...

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I think that this car was the coolest thing in the Waynedale Memorial Day
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signs and patriotic decorations to call attention to his campaign for better
healthcare for veterans.

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Beautiful job, Moose.  I guess everything is more colorful in California!

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 6/1/2016 4:04 PM, Moose wrote:
> On 6/1/2016 7:27 AM, DZDub wrote:
>> . . .
>> However, it's difficult not to visualize this sort of thing for a Great
>> Many of the kinds of things I like to shoot, which is a lot of disk
>> space.
>
> Yeah, but TBs are cheap. :-) And one may delete the ones that don't
> work out. Maybe even the originals? Nah.
>
>> A camera that could do this on the fly would be intriguing!  Hmmm...
>
> Speaking of " . . . on the fly . . ." :-)
>
> A secret to shooting dragonflies and damselflies is that they come
> back repeatedly to the same landing places. I saw one on a sprinkler
> head, so went and grabbed E-M5 II and Panny 100-400. Sure enough, it
> came back, and stayed a long time.
>
> It was not, however entirely still; no way to hand stack. Here's the
> six shot stack that worked.
> <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 200>
>
> Twenty some files to be deleted. At first, I trusted focus and the
> process to get the front edge. But with such a gossamer, relatively
> deep subject, projecting directly toward the camera, that didn't work.
> So I focused, then moved the camera back just a little before shooting.
>
> That did it! I had one of a better pose, but the subject moved during
> the exposures. I think this one came out rather well.
>
> Flying Puns Moose
>

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I think that Tina is referring to the toxicity of certain residual
glyphosates, for example Monsanto's Roundup or similar products, found
in the foodchain originating from the soil on which food products are
grown.

jh



On 6/2/2016 7:44 PM, Christopher Crawford wrote:
> Since flour is usually used for baked goods (bread, cake, cookies, etc.),
> I would think that being in an oven at 300+ degrees for ten minutes or
> whatever would be deadly to any bacteria in the flour anyway?
>
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     I was lying in bed half-awake around 0400 when this took place and I 
remember the bedroom being brightly lit up, followed by a muffled boom.  
Obviously I wasn't dreaming as reports of this event came from everywhere:

http://www.cbs5az.com/story/32121280/possible-meteor-lights-up-sky-across-arizona?autostart=true

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/what-was-that-bright-light-streaks-across-sky


Chris

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 From my days of visiting Swiss clients... all the managers' offices
there had cases of white and red, with white chilling in the adjacent
fridge, and plenty of glassware; occasionally beer too. It was not
unusual to have an impromptu "apero" declared on a Friday afternoon,
after which little productive was accomplished (other than socialising).
Some days less impromptu than others, with food brought or ordered in.
And then there were the Kartoffelsalat competitions...

At the office here (in Canada, for those who haven't analysed my
language sufficiently), we matched most of this, which was appreciated
by the visiting Swiss, and us. Wine was in the boardroom credenza for
convenience.

Seemed quite civilised, and to be emulated.

Michael


On 16-06-03 8:45 AM, Charles Geilfuss wrote:
>    I would say completely unheard of here. I worked in Germany (West at the
> time) in the late 70's. Beer was served in the company cafeteria at lunch.
> I took a pass as noon is too early for my tastes and would worsen my
> postprandial sleepiness. I really didn't notice how many of the local
> partook. That is simply not seen here in an official capacity. Different
> views on alcohol and too many lawyers create a huge liability problem.
>
> Charlie
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> You guys have the most interesting office of any in my experience!  For an
>> office in the USA to have a wine-tasting is almost unheard of.  Sometimes
>> they have wine at the annual Christmas party but that's about it!!  I have
>> my own office and can have a wine tasting anytime I want.  Like tonight.
>> The ladies left all of their unfinished wines here after the pizza party
>> last night ;-)  I'd better not post any more tonight.
>>
>> Tina
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Good luck with all that, Brian.

We had our Annex refurbished in 2014 and the thicker insulation has made a big 
difference.

Chris

> On 1 Jun 2016, at 11:21, bj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> An hour later we were joined by the Project Manager from Breens
> Construction which is the company selected by state Insurance for our
> rebuild. Competitive tender, and Breens are a very reputable company,
> very well run.
> Main features; rebuild will not start until September;
> there are not enough building tradies in Central, and their work
> schedule is full. Might be in by Christmas but I would not put money on
> that.
> I managed to get 2nd quote for triple glazing (thermally broken
> frames, low E glass, argon filled) and we can just afford it with
> prudent management; not a company that Breens deals with, but 'their'
> company does not do triple glazing :-(
> They will have to get along
> together - hope their (Viridian / Vistalite / Fletcher Glass) standards
> are up to Breens expectations.
> We will also have thicker walls (150 x 40
> not 90 x 40 (mm) studs) and insulation to match also in the
> ceilings.
> The kitchen will be moved 1 metre to the west so that the
> vestibule at the (now to be main entrance, from the driveway) is a
> better size. The flow one effects of this will add nearly $10,000 to the
> cost. $2,800/square metre is the figure they use.
>
> We should have a
> warm house as a result; better than the base standard required by the
> building code. The triple glazing I specified has an R value 50% greater
> than the best double glazing.
>
> Other news is that on 10 June I go to
> Dunedin to Mercy Hospital for 90 minutes surgery on my nose to remove a
> basal cell carcinoma I spotted a few days ago. Patrick Dawes is the
> surgeon; he did Maggie's nose a few years back for a much worse kind of
> cancer. He tells wicked jokes when he's cutting and pasting skin ...

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On 1 June 2016 at 22:04, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
> Speaking of " . . . on the fly . . ." :-)
>
> A secret to shooting dragonflies and damselflies is that they come back
> repeatedly to the same landing places. I saw one on a sprinkler head, so
> went and grabbed E-M5 II and Panny 100-400. Sure enough, it came back, and
> stayed a long time.
>
> It was not, however entirely still; no way to hand stack. Here's the six
> shot stack that worked. <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 200
> >



That's a bit inspiring!  I'm definitely going to have to spend a lunchtime
stalking them around the little park where we get a couple od dragonflies
and many damselflies buzzing round the  pond.  Possibly a good opportunity
to test out the E-M1's ability to stabilise and focus-stack at the same
time.

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They look so happy to be there ?
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> My third photograph from the Waynedale Memorial Day Parade. These kids were
> getting impatient waiting for the parade to begin.
> 
> http://chriscrawfordphoto.com/chris-details.php?product=2375
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It looks as though the UK Met office got the forecast win.  As they
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> And it's over water.  Sooo...
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In other words, another very mixed week in Alicante. There are portraits of my 
in-laws and my daughter, there is a choral performance, there are landscapes, 
there is good food, there are happy people, there are beachscapes, there are 
pretty little flowers, and of course an orange kitty as well:

http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws/?page_id28

As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated.

Nathan

Nathan Wajsman
Alicante, Spain
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PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws 
<http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ 
<http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/>
Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator 
<http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>
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On 5/31/2016 4:34 PM, Mike Gordon via olympus wrote:
> Yes,
> Sorry we missed the Biltmore and gardens as well as the arboretum--on my 
> short list for the area.

I saw gardens and arboretum, but a week or so before Christmas, far from their 
peak. At least it was sunny, not snowing.
OTOH, dinner was good and going into the house through an atrium full of trees 
and lights, with a good children's'
chorus singing Christmas carols was pretty nice. :-)

De Luxe Moose

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On 6/1/2016 9:51 PM, ChrisB wrote:
> Oh yes, I like both of those photos, whatever the creatures are called.  I 
> refer to them normally as dragonflies, but I know that there are other names.

Thanks! That's what we call 'em hereabouts.

Dragon Tooth Moose

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Highly depends on what you wash them with - calc is a porous mineral (and non 
organic BTW). The residues might be worse than the "cure".

Apart from wasting energy, refrigeration is useless in many instances - eggs 
are good for consumption so long as they sink, and we're back to square one, 
depends what liquid is used ;-)

http://food-hacks.wonderhowto.com/how-to/tell-if-your-expired-eggs-are-still-good-eat-0154309/

Amities
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Le 3 juin 2016 à 11:28, Christopher Crawford <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a 
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> How does washing and refrigerating eggs make them less safe?
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>> Ho, ho, Philippe!
>> 
>> I think that free-range eggs might be described as organic.  Whatever the
>> definition might be, we have only the eggs from our hens, and we can eat
>> them in all sorts of ways.
>> 
>> I gather that the USA has a legal requirement to wash eggs before sale,
>> then to chill them when on sale.  Our eggs are neither washed nor chilled
>> (except that our kitchen is at between 14 and 18ºC most of the time).
>> 
>> Chris
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>>> On 3 Jun 16, at 09:32, Philippe <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Shell apart in part, what is a non organic egg?
>>> 
>>> This?
>>> http://tinyurl.com/jd6x65z <http://tinyurl.com/jd6x65z>
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     I'm watching "Houseboat" on one of our broadcast movie channels, and the 
commercials tend to be more unnerving than usual.  This time it's for a device 
called "Bowl Light", which has a motion sensor that lights up the interior of 
the porcelain throne so that you don't have to turn the light on at night.  And 
you can adjust the colour to suit you.

     We are not amused.


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My E-M1 has been sent off to the sensor doctor today.  I may just have
to dig out the Canon 5D until it gets back.

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/3/2016 8:25 AM, Wayne Harridge wrote:
> A new TOPE theme:  SENSOR SPOTS !
>
> ...Wayne
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>
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> Curiosity got the best of me.  I couldn't delay any more without having a
> serious look at the sensor.  Close inspection showed several spots on the
> sensor.  One was quite large and very visible, the other very light and not
> so easily seen.  As you'll see they're close to each other.  All the spots
> except these 2 were blown away by the Rocket blower.
>
> Probably the dust shaker would have gotten rid of the loose ones as well.  I
> surmised that since, while working on cleaning the sensor, new spots would
> spontaneously show up.  It was clear these were falling out of the air onto
> the sensor.  Holding the camera upright and turning it on and off got rid of
> them... except the 2 that remained throughout.
>
> I decided to try the SensorKlear right away.  I first tried some light
> touches with one of the triangular tips.  That had no effect and showed me
> that the dust shaker is very loose.  But it only slides up/down/sideways (on
> the same plane).  As I tried applying more pressure it became clear that the
> filter will not stay still unless you drag it to one of its extremes. At
> that point you can apply as much pressure as I used to use on the Canon 5D.
> But I must have passed over that small spot 15-20 times using gradually more
> pressure on each pass... enough so that on a couple passes I heard the tip
> of the SensorKlear make the glass squeak.  But there was no joy.  I didn't
> try the smaller spot so both remain.
>
> I've posted images of what these spots look like at various apertures from
> f/22 down to f/5.6. From f/22-f/11 they're pretty ugly.
> <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 202>
>
> A big surprise is that neither of these spots is something I'd seen before.
> Where I had previously thought there was dust was in the upper left corner.
> Nothing there today.
>
> Since I can't remove this big spot (and maybe the smaller one as well) I'm
> going to have to send this to Oly and hope they'll clean it for free.
>
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Paypal is going to deposit to your bank < .10 . You will have to check
your bank account to see what amount was deposited to verify it was
infact your account. It is pretty painless in that there will be an
email exchange. I've been using Paypal for many years and prefer to use
it online. I have several accounts verified with Paypal though I use
primarily one. Hope that helps.

LGriffin


On 06/01/2016 06:54 AM, Bob Whitmire wrote:
> Somewhere along the line many years ago when I was in the antiques trade, I 
> became a verified PayPal member. I _think_ it was when I set up a bank 
> account so I could withdraw my money by means other than a check. I don't 
> remember the specifics. One day I wasn't verified, the next day I was.
>
> Verification meant they had physical address information as well as a bank 
> account number. I'm still verified, and despite a decade and a half's effort, 
> they still have me verified as Moose Meadow Pens. (And I didn't even know 
> Moose then. Lawsy, the synchronicity! ;-)  )
>
> That name doesn't show up, though, unless you get to digging around. With the 
> photo stuff I just used my name, but still was listed as verified. As the 
> others said, a specific account is the way to go. And keep in mind that like 
> credit card companies, PP always favors the buyer, not the seller.
>
> --Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6s Plus. This is a perfect mobile device. Any perceived 
> errors in spelling, grammar, or logic are figments of your imagination.
>
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Cool!

The mouse over feature is a real bonus Chris, well done!

and thanks :-)

Amities
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> I think that this car was the coolest thing in the Waynedale Memorial Day
> Parade this year. A local veteran covered his 1978 Pontiac Bonneville with
> signs and patriotic decorations to call attention to his campaign for better
> healthcare for veterans.
> 
> http://chriscrawfordphoto.com/chris-details.php?product=2378
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Most eggs are fine here even most of them are non orgainc. We always eat non
fully cooked eggs, at least the yolk (Sunny Side Up Eggs).

C.H.Ling

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Manley" <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx>


> Raw eggs are fine if they come from organically raised chickens!!  We eat
> raw eggs every day from our chickens.  It's the processing that causes
> problems.
>
>
> Tina
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> Just put a roll of Portra VC400 through an OM3 with a 135 Macro and tube today

Portra is a fantastic film now. Not that it was ever "bad", but it is
super good for scanning and then you can "McCurry" the snot out of it
in Photoshop.

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I've been there a couple of times.  A very impressive hole in the ground.

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On 6/3/2016 10:19 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>      I'm glad I wasn't here for that one.  :{b
>
>>
>>  Its not like you haven't had them before: http://meteorcrater.com/
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>      I was lying in bed half-awake around 0400 when this took place and I
>>> remember the bedroom being brightly lit up, followed by a muffled boom.
>>> Obviously I wasn't dreaming as reports of this event came from everywhere:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.cbs5az.com/story/32121280/possible-meteor-lights-up-sky-across-arizona?autostart=true
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/what-was-that-bright-light-streaks-across-sky
>>>
>>
>
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> Chris
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On 6/1/2016 2:09 PM, Jim Nichols wrote:
> Beautiful job, Moose.

Thanks!

> I guess everything is more colorful in California!

We gots lottsa different sizes and colors of dragonflies. I've posted several, 
but not all in one place. A couple of
larger ones here. <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId892>

Winged Moose

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Some of these who got ill reported eating raw dough.  My wife (the
baker) does it all the time.  CDC says don't do that.

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/2/2016 6:44 PM, Christopher Crawford wrote:
> Since flour is usually used for baked goods (bread, cake, cookies, etc.),
> I would think that being in an oven at 300+ degrees for ten minutes or
> whatever would be deadly to any bacteria in the flour anyway?
>
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  Its not like you haven't had them before: http://meteorcrater.com/

Charlie

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>      I was lying in bed half-awake around 0400 when this took place and I
> remember the bedroom being brightly lit up, followed by a muffled boom.
> Obviously I wasn't dreaming as reports of this event came from everywhere:
>
>
> http://www.cbs5az.com/story/32121280/possible-meteor-lights-up-sky-across-arizona?autostart=true
>
>
> http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/what-was-that-bright-light-streaks-across-sky
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> Chris
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...and of course you highlighted the reds and whites from Ontario's
Niagara Region :-)

jh

On 6/3/2016 12:52 PM, Michael R. Collins wrote:
> From my days of visiting Swiss clients... all the managers' offices
> there had cases of white and red, with white chilling in the adjacent
> fridge, and plenty of glassware; occasionally beer too. It was not
> unusual to have an impromptu "apero" declared on a Friday afternoon,
> after which little productive was accomplished (other than socialising).
> Some days less impromptu than others, with food brought or ordered in.
> And then there were the Kartoffelsalat competitions...
>
> At the office here (in Canada, for those who haven't analysed my
> language sufficiently), we matched most of this, which was appreciated
> by the visiting Swiss, and us. Wine was in the boardroom credenza for
> convenience.
>
> Seemed quite civilised, and to be emulated.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On 16-06-03 8:45 AM, Charles Geilfuss wrote:
>>    I would say completely unheard of here. I worked in Germany (West
>> at the
>> time) in the late 70's. Beer was served in the company cafeteria at
>> lunch.
>> I took a pass as noon is too early for my tastes and would worsen my
>> postprandial sleepiness. I really didn't notice how many of the local
>> partook. That is simply not seen here in an official capacity. Different
>> views on alcohol and too many lawyers create a huge liability problem.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> You guys have the most interesting office of any in my experience!
>>> For an
>>> office in the USA to have a wine-tasting is almost unheard of.
>>> Sometimes
>>> they have wine at the annual Christmas party but that's about it!!  I
>>> have
>>> my own office and can have a wine tasting anytime I want.  Like tonight.
>>> The ladies left all of their unfinished wines here after the pizza party
>>> last night ;-)  I'd better not post any more tonight.
>>>
>>> Tina
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PESO:

Somebody bought one of my prints on Fine Art America and paid with PayPal.
I got a notice from PayPal yesterday that they canceled the purchase and
refunded the money to the buyer because I am not a "verified" member of
PayPal.  According to the PayPal website, in order to become a verified
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I have been using PayPal for years to send and receive all kinds of
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about why they are doing this now but haven't heard back.

Has anybody else run into this problem?

I don't want to send them my bank account information or use their credit
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I rate that Oly web site somewhere between hype and puffery !

jh

On 6/2/2016 8:03 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
> I guess I'd better learn to be more observant.  I've searched for the
> equivalent diagram for OM-D but can't find anything.  This is the
> closest thing I've found but it's pretty much worthless other than
> showing that it's different from four thirds.  Scroll about 40% down the
> page to "Supersonic Dust Reduction"
> <http://cameras.olympus.com/omd/en-us/technology/>
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
> On 6/2/2016 4:10 AM, Piers Hemy wrote:
>> The cutaway of a camera body is obviously an E-300 or E-330, and
>> therefore
>> NOT inaccurate, as the mirror is to the side of the lens throat,
>> closer to
>> the reader, as in the Pen F SLR. I guess they chose to use the E-3x0 to
>> avoid having to move the SSWF and shutter forward for "clarity".
>>
>> Curious, though, that the E-3x0 cameras do not feature in the side bar
>> (nor
>> do E-450 and E-5, which presumably dates the page to at least seven years
>> ago.
>>
>> Piers
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: olympus
>> [mailto:olympus-bounces+piers.hemy=gmail.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Moose
>> Sent: 02 June 2016 06:44
>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [OM] E-M5 sensor cleaning?
>>
>> On 6/1/2016 5:06 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>>> . . .
>>>
>>> What did give me pause, however, was finding this diagram of the "Dust
>> Reduction System" on the OM-Ds on the Oly site.
>>
>> Weeellll, not quite. It's for the 4/3 DSLRs
>>
>>> See:
>> <http://www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/technology/reduction/dust-reduction.html
>>
>>> I have to admit being shocked to
>>> discover the system is unlike anything I imagined... you can't get to
>>> the
>> sensor because it is hermetically sealed
>>> behind two rubber dust seals all of which is behind the supersonic wave
>> filter which pretty much covers the entire
>>> opening of the lens mount... far more than the sensor and its low-pass
>> filter.
>>
>> The cutaway of a camera body is obviously inaccurate, as there is no room
>> for the mirror. I imagine the SSWF and shutter
>> were moved forward for "clarity".
>>
>> I'd imagine that the system for OM-Ds is similar in concept, but
>> different
>> in detail.
>>
>>> I have suspected from time-to-time over the last several months that
>>> I was
>> picking up a faint shadow in sky areas.
>>> Because this topic is not on the list I reviewed a lot of photos and
>> couldn't find anything to reinforce my memory.
>>> But I did just take a look at my SSWF under a 3X magnifier and a strong
>> light.  I could clearly see two tiny white
>>> spots on the filter.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that I was surprised by a shadow on my E-M5 some time
>> ago. I
>> got rid of it, but don't remember how.
>>
>> De Spotted Moose
>>
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On 6/1/2016 8:46 AM, Ken Norton wrote:
>>> Let's all turn to Hymn Number 3580, How Great Thou Art.
>> P.S. You've got a lot of songs if it takes you 3579 tries to get to "How
>> Great Thou Art"!  You might like the old Methodist hymnal that started with
>> "Holy, Holy, Holy."
> Too obscure?

Nope, you just beat me to the explication. ;-)

> Hymn Number 3580
> Zuiko 35-80/2.8

In Explicable Moose

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I order my flour from Italy - Caputo flour - no glyphosates or any other
nasty stuff allowed in USA wheat.  It makes a huge difference in my
arthritis.

Tina

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> I got a phone call about this from one of the grocery stores we
> patronize.  Long phone message with a final suggestion to call General
> Mills or check the website <http://www.generalmills.com/flour>
>
> I did both and am glad I checked the website.  We have one opened and
> partially used 5 lb bag of Gold Medal flour and another that had not been
> opened.  The one which had not been opened was bought the same day as the
> other.  The page above gives specific "use by dates" as affected by the
> recall for each of their products.  The use by date on our package was 6
> weeks beyond anything affected by the recall so we're not going to take it
> back.
>
> You might want to check this site along with what's on your shelf.
>
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I had never run across the word dovecote before.  When I was in Iran I
knew the structures as "pigeon towers."   In Iran, their sole purpose
was to accumulate bird manure for fertilizer.  When manufactured
fertilizer became available, they fell into disuse.

Wikipedia tells me that dovecotes also existed (and in a few places,
still exist) in Europe. In Europe they were also used as a source for
eggs and meat.

I don't recall any restored pigeon towers 40 years ago in Iran. They
weren't yet appreciated as cultural artifacts, I guess.  The interior of
the one Tina shows is clean, so presumably birds are kept out.  An
active tower would probably be too unhealthy a place to allow tourists
in without a face mask or respirator.

> From: Philippe <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx> ... <snip> ... the
> pigeon holes are fantastic, but I can only imagine them full of the
> fowl with horror; OMG, the stench ?. ;-) Le 2 juin 2016 ? 20:40, Tina
> Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> a ?crit : > I've posted a bunch of photos
> from Meybod, Iran, including a weaver making > two-sided rugs that are
> traditional to this city, an ancient ice house, and > a dovecote: > >
> http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I0000HJ4a7gIbjCk
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No, no, I'm sure your sisters are good at it and it would be enjoyable. I
meant MY sister. Perhaps lost in translation

-----Original Message-----
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To: 'Olympus Camera Discussion'
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I have some sympathy with your lack of interest in the 24mm lens, Bill, but
am completely puzzled by your antipathy towards kissing my sister (either of
them, matter of fact) even if it's only theoretical. Is it something *I* did
or said?

Piers

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:olympus-bounces+piers.hemy=gmail.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Bill Pearce
Sent: 31 May 2016 19:27
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--snip
I am totally uninterested in 24mm lenses. They do nothing for me, using one
is like kissing your sister (not something I've tried, just guessing),

--snip


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Tina wrote

PESO:

Somebody bought one of my prints on Fine Art
America and paid with PayPal.
I got a notice from PayPal yesterday that
they canceled the purchase and
refunded the money to the buyer because I
am not a "verified" member of
PayPal. According to the PayPal website,
in order to become a verified
member, I have to send them my bank
account information or sign up for
their PayPal credit card.

I have
been using PayPal for years to send and receive all kinds of
payments
and have never run into this before. I've sent them an inquiry
about why
they are doing this now but haven't heard back.

Has anybody else run
into this problem?

I don't want to send them my bank account
information or use their
credit
card!!

Tina
................................

I've been using
PayPal for years and use it regularly. PayPal has access to my
Mastercard account, and that has never been a problem; far from it
because I'm seldom in enough credit within PayPal's banking system, and
access to my CC is essential.

Brian

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Thanks, the term 'organic' is so confusing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inorganic_chemistry

Thanks again

Amities
Philippe

Le 3 juin 2016 à 12:29, "C.H.Ling" <ch_photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> :-) that one:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_egg_production
> 
> But we never purchase them as they are much more expensive and you never know 
> if they are really better.
> 
> C.H.Ling
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippe" <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx>
> 
> 
> Shell apart in part, what is a non organic egg?
> 
> This?
> http://tinyurl.com/jd6x65z
> 
> Amities
> Philippe
> 
> 
> Le 3 juin 2016 à 09:54, "C.H.Ling" <ch_photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
> 
>> Most eggs are fine here even most of them are non orgainc. We always eat non
>> fully cooked eggs, at least the yolk (Sunny Side Up Eggs).
>> 
>> C.H.Ling
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Manley" <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx>
>> 
>> 
>>> Raw eggs are fine if they come from organically raised chickens!!  We eat
>>> raw eggs every day from our chickens.  It's the processing that causes
>>> problems.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tina
>>> 
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Must be a low budget operator, that's a Cesssna light single.
their stuff  must be able to take a lot of

-----Original Message-----
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To: LUG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Olympus Camera Discussion
Subject: [OM] IMG: From the Airport

I left the house with rainy day gear because of threatening weather, the
Oly E-1 with ZD 35/3.5 lens.  The ball game was called off, so I stopped
by the airport, where folks were waiting for jumpers to start appearing
from the threatening clouds.  We could occasionally see the Twin Otter
jump plane as it reached jump altitude, so I hiked out to the landing
zone, while watching dark clouds and rain approaching from the west.

The first to land was a bright orange and white chute.  You may note
that the skies get progressively darker with each image.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046088fm_filtered.tif.html

The first of three tandem jumpers passed overhead.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046096fm_filtered.tif.html

The second tandem pair made a nice approach and landing.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046100fm.tif.html

The third tandem pair appear to be the same ones I posted a few days
ago, with the big smile.  The smile is still there.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046110fm_filtered.tif.html

These jumpers savored the moment as the chute settled to the ground.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046112fm_filtered.tif.html

With the rain getting closer, the folks loaded up for the trip back to
the hangar.  First, the "Gator", that  picks up any that land some
distance away.  No need for that today.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046113fm.tif.html

Next, the main transport cart and canopy trailer.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046117fm.tif.html

As I headed toward my car, I noted an airplane with strange gear
attached, resembling the surveillance gear often seen on military
helicopters.  I snapped a couple of images.  Some online searching told
me that this was an FBI surveillance aircraft, operated by a "front"
company in Virginia.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/P6046119fm.tif.html

As soon as I reached my vehicle, the clouds cut loose.

All with the Oly E-1 and ZD 35/3.5 at ISO 400

Comments and critiques welcomed and appreciated.

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Tullahoma, TN USA

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Wonderful series Tina thanks a lot :-)

The less positive and/or questions now:

- In several shots the weaver looks out of the frame, talking or listening to 
Tom? your guide? these don't work.
- looks like you have two shots at least of the ice pit that display what looks 
like a line of deadpixels.

Last, and by way of a joke, the pigeon holes are fantastic, but I can only 
imagine them full of the fowl with horror; OMG, the stench ?. ;-)

Keep them coming

Amities
Philippe, in desperate need of a good pizza


Le 2 juin 2016 à 20:40, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> PESO:
> 
> I've posted a bunch of photos from Meybod, Iran, including a weaver making
> two-sided rugs that are traditional to this city, an ancient ice house, and
> a dovecote:
> 
> http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I0000HJ4a7gIbjCk
> 
> To the end.
> 
> The pizza party went great last night.  We cooked 40 pizzas in the
> wood-burning oven and they were delicious.  We had a brief shower that
> cooled everything off and then left so we were all outside for the
> evening.  Now my house is clean and I can work on photos until Tom plows
> the rest of the garden and I have to go plant seeds!!
> 
> C&C greatly appreciated.
> 
> Tina
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Ho, ho, Philippe!

I think that free-range eggs might be described as organic.  Whatever the 
definition might be, we have only the eggs from our hens, and we can eat them 
in all sorts of ways.

I gather that the USA has a legal requirement to wash eggs before sale, then to 
chill them when on sale.  Our eggs are neither washed nor chilled (except that 
our kitchen is at between 14 and 18ºC most of the time).

Chris

> On 3 Jun 16, at 09:32, Philippe <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Shell apart in part, what is a non organic egg?
> 
> This?
> http://tinyurl.com/jd6x65z <http://tinyurl.com/jd6x65z>

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PESO:

Only if you want to see goat heads!!

http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I0000.O4ETPVAodA

and next one.

This is one of the few ones I have that show how the women hold their
chadors (veils) in their teeth.  I used to do that.  In order to have your
hands free and still keep yourself totally covered, you have to hold the
chador in your teeth.  I always wondered why they didn't use a clip of some
kind.  I used to gag on the chador!!

C&C greatly appreciated.

Tina

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Tell Tom to be EXTRA careful!

I was inside the house when I heard a noise, and watching out the window saw 
the guy's colleague land faster than expected on the ground ? nothing broken, 
but ?

Keep Tom safe, he needs you on your trips, and we his pink cap on your photos 
:-)

Amities
Philippe


Le 3 juin 2016 à 21:01, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> I love that roof!!  Our's is red tin out here on the farm, but Tom is in
> Rock Hill replacing the roof on our other house for the third time this
> year!  It's still leaking.
> 
> Hope you get some relief from the rain!
> 
> Tina
> 
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Philippe <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
>> We certainly would if we could Tina - flooding in Paris and pouring again
>> here as I'm typing and we're lucky to have had our roof refurbished late
>> April ?
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Playground/The+roofer-2.jpg.html
>> 
>> Amities
>> Philippe
>> 
>> Le 3 juin 2016 à 20:30, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>> 
>>> Beautiful!!  I especially like the first one. Send some of that rain this
>>> way.  I've been watering for 4 hours this morning.  We are 15 inches
>> below
>>> normal rainfall for this time of year and 17.4% warmer than normal.
>>> 
>>> Tina
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Philippe <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Shot this afternoon in between downpours ?
>>>> 
>>>> Starts here, and the next 5
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Straight+from+the+garden-2603.jpg.html
>>>> 
>>>> I might presumptuously add that I presume they may all be seen large :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Amities
>>>> Philippe
>>>> 
>>>> 
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xxxx59 is a beaut!

(pre-stacking effort?)

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On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Don Holbrook <donholbrook@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Rather stunning.
>
> ----- Original Message -----From: Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx>To: Olympus
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> 21:04:52 -0000 (UTC)Subject: [OM] Red Dragonfly (focus stack) [was Peony
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> On 6/1/2016 7:27 AM, DZDub wrote:> . . .> However, it's difficult not to
> visualize this sort of thing for a Great> Many of the kinds of things I
> like to shoot, which is a lot of disk space.
>
> Yeah, but TBs are cheap. :-) And one may delete the ones that don't work
> out. Maybe even the originals? Nah.
>
> > A camera that could do this on the fly would be intriguing! Hmmm...
>
> Speaking of " . . . on the fly . . ." :-)
>
> A secret to shooting dragonflies and damselflies is that they come back
> repeatedly to the same landing places. I saw one on a sprinkler head, so
> went and grabbed E-M5 II and Panny 100-400. Sure enough, it came back, and
> stayed a long time.
>
> It was not, however entirely still; no way to hand stack. Here's the six
> shot stack that worked. <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 200
> >
>
> Twenty some files to be deleted. At first, I trusted focus and the process
> to get the front edge. But with such a gossamer, relatively deep subject,
> projecting directly toward the camera, that didn't work. So I focused, then
> moved the camera back just a little before shooting.
>
> That did it! I had one of a better pose, but the subject moved during the
> exposures. I think this one came out rather well.
>
> Flying Puns Moose
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Raw dough is dangerous because it contains raw eggs in most recipes for
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On 6/2/16, 9:21 PM, "olympus on behalf of Chuck Norcutt"
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>Some of these who got ill reported eating raw dough.  My wife (the
>baker) does it all the time.  CDC says don't do that.
>
>Chuck Norcutt
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>On 6/2/2016 6:44 PM, Christopher Crawford wrote:
>> Since flour is usually used for baked goods (bread, cake, cookies,
>>etc.),
>> I would think that being in an oven at 300+ degrees for ten minutes or
>> whatever would be deadly to any bacteria in the flour anyway?
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Yes, I agree on the work flow.  I'd like to watch him work for a month.

Chuck Norcutt

On 6/5/2016 3:07 AM, Philippe wrote:
> Le 5 juin 2016 à 01:06, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>
>>> Just for illustrative fun, I also copied the color palette from
>>> Philippe's rose image just posted. No very attractive, I'm
>>> afraid, but there are interesting creative possibilities . . .
>
> Fun indeed :-)
> <snip>
> Your work flow is so complex that I get lost even after careful
> reading, but I must admit that every time you play with one of our
> files the result is superior. Kudos!
>
> Admiring and not so patient Philippe ;-)
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Le 5 juin 2016 à 01:06, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> Just for illustrative fun, I also copied the color palette from Philippe's 
> rose image just posted. No very attractive, I'm afraid, but there are 
> interesting creative possibilities . . .


Fun indeed :-)

If the rose with a dark background was the model you must know it was shot with 
an X-Trans sensor for one, which may have a AWB with completely different 
algorithms due to the different pixel patterns and proportions .
And next, your servant tweaked it, a lot. The dark background is actually light 
blue for instance. So the result you got was to be expected as queer I think :-)

Your work flow is so complex that I get lost even after careful reading, but I 
must admit that every time you play with one of our files the result is 
superior. Kudos!

Admiring and not so patient Philippe ;-)
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Phew, thanks for the detailed explanation Moose.  That's waaay different to
what I thought you meant.  I've never played with Match Colour but now I've
read the tutorial...
cheers
Jez

On 5 June 2016 at 00:06, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 6/3/2016 5:09 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote:
>
>> In LR you have the Sync Settings button which will apply any settings you
>> choose from one image and apply it to one or many other images.
>>
>
> While useful, that's not what I was talking about.
>
> Sync says "Do whatever I did to this image and do it to other(s).
>
> PS Match Color says "Take the color palette of this image (or selected
> part(s)s of image) and apply it to this other image (or selected part(s)s
> of image). Neither image need have had any adjustments to it, before or
> during this editing session, nor do I have to know what may have been done
> before it was opened this time.
>
> Example; there's a review just out on IR of DxO OP 11, which lauds
> improvements in NR over ver. 10, both in speed and results and calls its NR
> "unrivaled".
>
> So I download a trial of 11 and run an ISO 3200 file through both DxOs and
> NI in PS. Well, he's wrong, on pretty much all counts. So I would like to
> post a roll-over example. But wait! The sample was shot in funny, quite
> mixed lighting; the ACR one is pretty bad in WB and the DxO worse. I know
> from years of posting stuff that many/most people are incapable of looking
> past a difference that is entirely irrelevant to the point, and seeing only
> that.
>
> So, what to do? Easy, reopen via ACR, using Auto Color and Auto
> Exposure/Contrast, etc. settings, As it happens, it does a good job. Now,
> do I have to do all the steps to the NI examples again? What about the DxO
> examples, when DxO has no comparable Auto WB, etc.?
>
> Just copy color from the newly opened PS version to the others with Match
> Color. It only matches colors, so the inherent difference in default
> curve/contrast between the two Raw conversions remains, but the are now
> pretty close. If not seen in a roll over, no one would likely notice a
> difference. <
> http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/tech/MatchColor/_B003915PSMC.htm>
>
> Just for illustrative fun, I also copied the color palette from Philippe's
> rose image just posted. No very attractive, I'm afraid, but there are
> interesting creative possibilities . . .
>
> Match Color can also work from just a selection in one image onto all or
> only onto a selection in another image, and has various controls as to how
> it applies. Quite a powerful tool.
>
> Hue Moose
>
> --
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Couldn't resist when I saw this in a Guardian article


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I've been looking but haven't been able to find anything with info
beyond the link I gave.  I found the original paper but it's behind a
paywall and the abstract is the only thing I can see.  Probably the same
for anyone else who has reported on it.

The only thing I can deduce immediately is that if these things have to
be built in silicon foundries the maximum diameter available today would
be 300mm.  There's talk of 450mm diameter wafers in 2017 but the capital
investment for increased wafer sizes is humongous.  Perhaps large lenses
of the future will have to be made from arrays of smaller lenses as is
already done with telescopes.

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/4/2016 9:14 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>      I wonder if this is similar to a Fresnel lens, using discrete magnifying 
> pixels instead of concentric rings?
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>> http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36438686
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> Chris
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>> That is small beer. This is the control unit of the toilet at a hotel in
>> Seoul where I stayed in 2013. Push the wrong button and your ass is fried:
>> 
>> https://nathansmusings.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/49_2.jpg
>> <https://nathansmusings.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/49_2.jpg>
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Nathan
>> 
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu
>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/>
>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator
>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>
>> YNWA
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 05 Jun 2016, at 03:29, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>>    I'm watching "Houseboat" on one of our broadcast movie channels,
>>> and the commercials tend to be more unnerving than usual.  This time
>>> it's for a device called "Bowl Light", which has a motion sensor that
>>> lights up the interior of the porcelain throne so that you don't have to
>>> turn the light on at night.  And you can adjust the colour to suit you.
>>> 
>>>    We are not amused.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>>>    - Hunter S. Thompson
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     A new tropical cyclone has formed in the Gulf of Mexico just north of 
Yucatan, soon to be named TS Colin.  It will cross the gulf and then the 
Florida panhandle, arriving i South Caroline on Tuesday, then moving rapidly 
into the Atlantic.


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<http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/>

Click the link, click on the search box at upper right and type in
"cramps".  You'll get a list of remedies which include soap, mustard,
dill pickle juice, tonic water, V8 juice, etc, etc.  I think tonic water
was actually prescribed in the past by UK doctors.

I used to suffer from severe night cramps in my left calf.  Then I
started taking magnesium and potassium supplements which used to help
considerably.  But they don't work for me anymore.  Cramps have recently
returned, are more frequent and now affect thigh, calf, toes and the
tops of my feet.  (I should also point out that the left leg has many
other problems than cramps and the cramps may be a side effect)

On the site above I decided to try the dill pickle juice cure.  It is
truly magic.  A tablespoon of pickle juice and the pain is gone in about
30 seconds.  I have no idea how or why it works but it does.  It's an
excellent cure for what ails you at the moment but is not a
preventative.  It doesn't prevent another cramp from waking me up 2
hours later.

Soap is another oddball cure and apparently also a preventive and has
also been used for pain relief.  It is assumed that that it's the scent
ingredients that penetrate the skin and cause the relief. See:
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3004545/>

Peoples Pharmacy have been following the application of soaps for cramps
since 2008 and are convinced of its efficacy.  They now produce a thin
bar of lavender scented soap suitable for placing under the bed sheets.
I'm going to try that next.

Note that an old dried-out bar of soap doesn't work.  Scrape it down to
a fresher surface.

Chuck Norcutt
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Thanks for the report Sergeant, you may now smoke.

;-)

Amities
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Le 5 juin 2016 à 21:41, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

>     A new tropical cyclone has formed in the Gulf of Mexico just north of 
> Yucatan, soon to be named TS Colin.  It will cross the gulf and then the 
> Florida panhandle, arriving i South Caroline on Tuesday, then moving rapidly 
> into the Atlantic.
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro 
>     - Hunter S. Thompson
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Thanks, I knew a couple of days ago there was something brewing in the
Gulf and forgot about it.  I hadn't expected to find it on my doorstep
at 7:00am on Tuesday
<http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/175220.shtml?5-daynl#contents>

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/5/2016 3:41 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>      A new tropical cyclone has formed in the Gulf of Mexico just north of 
> Yucatan, soon to be named TS Colin.  It will cross the gulf and then the 
> Florida panhandle, arriving i South Caroline on Tuesday, then moving rapidly 
> into the Atlantic.
>
>
> Chris
>
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Thanks Chuck for the links, I've heard of the Dill pickle juice but
couldn't find more info. Like you I get the cramps in my calf's and feet.

On 06/05/2016 12:48 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
> <http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/>
>
> Click the link, click on the search box at upper right and type in
> "cramps".  You'll get a list of remedies which include soap, mustard,
> dill pickle juice, tonic water, V8 juice, etc, etc.  I think tonic
> water was actually prescribed in the past by UK doctors.
>
> I used to suffer from severe night cramps in my left calf.  Then I
> started taking magnesium and potassium supplements which used to help
> considerably.  But they don't work for me anymore.  Cramps have
> recently returned, are more frequent and now affect thigh, calf, toes
> and the tops of my feet.  (I should also point out that the left leg
> has many other problems than cramps and the cramps may be a side effect)
>
> On the site above I decided to try the dill pickle juice cure.  It is
> truly magic.  A tablespoon of pickle juice and the pain is gone in
> about 30 seconds.  I have no idea how or why it works but it does.
> It's an excellent cure for what ails you at the moment but is not a
> preventative.  It doesn't prevent another cramp from waking me up 2
> hours later.
>
> Soap is another oddball cure and apparently also a preventive and has
> also been used for pain relief.  It is assumed that that it's the
> scent ingredients that penetrate the skin and cause the relief. See:
> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3004545/>
>
> Peoples Pharmacy have been following the application of soaps for
> cramps since 2008 and are convinced of its efficacy.  They now produce
> a thin bar of lavender scented soap suitable for placing under the bed
> sheets. I'm going to try that next.
>
> Note that an old dried-out bar of soap doesn't work.  Scrape it down
> to a fresher surface.
>
> Chuck Norcutt

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Soap works.  That's what I use.

Tina

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:

> <http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/>
>
> Click the link, click on the search box at upper right and type in
> "cramps".  You'll get a list of remedies which include soap, mustard, dill
> pickle juice, tonic water, V8 juice, etc, etc.  I think tonic water was
> actually prescribed in the past by UK doctors.
>
> I used to suffer from severe night cramps in my left calf.  Then I started
> taking magnesium and potassium supplements which used to help
> considerably.  But they don't work for me anymore.  Cramps have recently
> returned, are more frequent and now affect thigh, calf, toes and the tops
> of my feet.  (I should also point out that the left leg has many other
> problems than cramps and the cramps may be a side effect)
>
> On the site above I decided to try the dill pickle juice cure.  It is
> truly magic.  A tablespoon of pickle juice and the pain is gone in about 30
> seconds.  I have no idea how or why it works but it does.  It's an
> excellent cure for what ails you at the moment but is not a preventative.
> It doesn't prevent another cramp from waking me up 2 hours later.
>
> Soap is another oddball cure and apparently also a preventive and has also
> been used for pain relief.  It is assumed that that it's the scent
> ingredients that penetrate the skin and cause the relief. See:
> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3004545/>
>
> Peoples Pharmacy have been following the application of soaps for cramps
> since 2008 and are convinced of its efficacy.  They now produce a thin bar
> of lavender scented soap suitable for placing under the bed sheets. I'm
> going to try that next.
>
> Note that an old dried-out bar of soap doesn't work.  Scrape it down to a
> fresher surface.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
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My PCP suggested drastically increasing my water intake & taking OTC
magnesium tabs. Seems to be working for me.
On Jun 5, 2016 4:54 PM, "Tina Manley" <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Soap works.  That's what I use.

Tina

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:

> <http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/>
>
> Click the link, click on the search box at upper right and type in
> "cramps".  You'll get a list of remedies which include soap, mustard, dill
> pickle juice, tonic water, V8 juice, etc, etc.  I think tonic water was
> actually prescribed in the past by UK doctors.
>
> I used to suffer from severe night cramps in my left calf.  Then I started
> taking magnesium and potassium supplements which used to help
> considerably.  But they don't work for me anymore.  Cramps have recently
> returned, are more frequent and now affect thigh, calf, toes and the tops
> of my feet.  (I should also point out that the left leg has many other
> problems than cramps and the cramps may be a side effect)
>
> On the site above I decided to try the dill pickle juice cure.  It is
> truly magic.  A tablespoon of pickle juice and the pain is gone in about
30
> seconds.  I have no idea how or why it works but it does.  It's an
> excellent cure for what ails you at the moment but is not a preventative.
> It doesn't prevent another cramp from waking me up 2 hours later.
>
> Soap is another oddball cure and apparently also a preventive and has also
> been used for pain relief.  It is assumed that that it's the scent
> ingredients that penetrate the skin and cause the relief. See:
> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3004545/>
>
> Peoples Pharmacy have been following the application of soaps for cramps
> since 2008 and are convinced of its efficacy.  They now produce a thin bar
> of lavender scented soap suitable for placing under the bed sheets. I'm
> going to try that next.
>
> Note that an old dried-out bar of soap doesn't work.  Scrape it down to a
> fresher surface.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
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On 6/2/2016 4:34 PM, Mike Gordon via olympus wrote:
> FPM wrote:
> <<It was not, however entirely still; no way to hand stack. Here's the six 
> shot stack that worked. <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 200>
>
>
> <<Twenty some files to be deleted. At first, I trusted focus and the process 
> to get the front edge. But with such a gossamer, relatively deep subject, 
> projecting directly toward the camera, that didn't work. So I focused, then 
> moved the camera back just a little before shooting.
>
>
> <<That did it! I had one of a better pose, but the subject moved during the 
> exposures. I think this one came out rather well.
>
>
> Remarkably good job given the camera movement amplified by the very long FL 
> and the critter moving its head during the stack.

Shoot! How did I miss the head? Paying too much attention to the gossamer 
wings, I guess. Fixed now.
<http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 200>

> Some can hand hold stacks and  move the cam to change the focal plane but it 
> takes tremendous practice.

I've posted a few of mine of flowers done that way. Wasn't THAT difficult. I 
don't see myself trying it with flying
critters, though.

> The alignment software did pretty well and Moose found a secret to get the 
> focusing algorithm to do the job for him.

I posted the technique in response to DZDub. A little tricky to think of, but 
easy enough to do.

> The amplified movement illustrates the effect of FL on handholding macro 
> shots--see:  http://lists.tako.de/Olympus-OM/2013-09/msg00278.html
>
> I hope we see more of these.  I like it very much.

Thanks! It's not a project I'm working on, just an arrow added to my quiver for 
use where useful.

> To nit pick there are some stacking halo artifacts near the eyes

Sloppy work on my part. I think I fixed them, as above.

>   and  the critter  hairs are  often trouble with focus stacked shots unless 
> can use a "pyramid" method such as Pmax in Zerene stacker.

I don't know when/if I may venture beyond PS stacking. Had I done this with a 
couple more, more closely spaced slices, I
think it would be a little cleaner in details like hairs.

Messed Up Head Moose

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On 6/2/2016 6:24 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
> Excellent shot of dragonfly including the strange mechanical device he's 
> perched on.

Thanks!

The front yard is watered with a 'drip' system, which, of course, includes low 
volume sprinkler heads. That's one that 
spins around 360°.

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On 6/1/2016 11:15 PM, Frank wrote:
> Wow! That looks *very* good.

Thanks!

I just reposted it with the head looking better.

Grateful Moose

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On 6/2/2016 5:36 AM, Ian Nichols wrote:
> On 1 June 2016 at 22:04, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of " . . . on the fly . . ." :-)
>>
>> A secret to shooting dragonflies and damselflies is that they come back
>> repeatedly to the same landing places. I saw one on a sprinkler head, so
>> went and grabbed E-M5 II and Panny 100-400. Sure enough, it came back, and
>> stayed a long time.
>>
>> It was not, however entirely still; no way to hand stack. Here's the six
>> shot stack that worked. <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 200
>
>
> That's a bit inspiring!

Thanks!

> I'm definitely going to have to spend a lunchtime
> stalking them around the little park where we get a couple of dragonflies
> and many damselflies buzzing round the  pond.  Possibly a good opportunity
> to test out the E-M1's ability to stabilise and focus-stack at the same
> time.

With the E-M1, you aren't necessarily limited to the kind of stacking I did 
(focus bracketing, Oly calls it.) If you
have 60/2.8, 12-40/2.8 Pro or 40-150/2.8 Pro, the camera will stack 'em for you.

Wouldn't work with my Panny 100-400, though, so I'm saved.

Slices of Focus Moose

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Tom needs a new printer for his office.  He prints mostly B&W documents,
financial statements, crossword puzzles, etc.  The prints don't have to be
great quality and he likes to save money on ink.  I thought one of the new
Eco-Epsons that come with two year's worth of ink would be ideal, but they
get terrible reviews!  Evidently, they are making up for the savings on ink
by charging a lot for a cheaply made printer - banding issues that make
documents illegible.

Can anybody recommend an office printer?  He has an old Canon Pixma right
now but it gets phantom paper jams all the time and refuses to work.

TIA

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     I bought an HP 1020 laser printer many years ago, and it has stood up like 
a champ.  I've probably run two boxes of paper through it and it still prints 
as good as new.  B&W only.

>
>Tom needs a new printer for his office.  He prints mostly B&W documents,
>financial statements, crossword puzzles, etc.  The prints don't have to be
>great quality and he likes to save money on ink.  I thought one of the new
>Eco-Epsons that come with two year's worth of ink would be ideal, but they
>get terrible reviews!  Evidently, they are making up for the savings on ink
>by charging a lot for a cheaply made printer - banding issues that make
>documents illegible.
>
>Can anybody recommend an office printer?  He has an old Canon Pixma right
>now but it gets phantom paper jams all the time and refuses to work.
>


Chris

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I've been using Brother momochrome laser printers, and I'm quite happy
with them. They are very cheap to buy and, of course, the consumables
are pricey, but there are lots of third party suppliers out there. Cost
is dependent on the computer interface that is required, they have
models with USB only (cheapest), USB/wireless, and
USB/ethernet/wireless.

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On Sun, Jun 05, 2016 at 07:04:46PM -0400, Tina Manley wrote:
> Tom needs a new printer for his office.  He prints mostly B&W documents,
> financial statements, crossword puzzles, etc.  The prints don't have to be
> great quality and he likes to save money on ink.  I thought one of the new
> Eco-Epsons that come with two year's worth of ink would be ideal, but they
> get terrible reviews!  Evidently, they are making up for the savings on ink
> by charging a lot for a cheaply made printer - banding issues that make
> documents illegible.
>
> Can anybody recommend an office printer?  He has an old Canon Pixma right
> now but it gets phantom paper jams all the time and refuses to work.
>
> TIA
>
> Tina
> --
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> www.tinamanley.com
> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
> http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html
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     For inexpensive, reliable toner I've been buying mine from Laser Monks 
(http://www.lasermonks.com/).

>
>I've been using Brother momochrome laser printers, and I'm quite happy
>with them. They are very cheap to buy and, of course, the consumables
>are pricey, but there are lots of third party suppliers out there. Cost
>is dependent on the computer interface that is required, they have
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>USB/ethernet/wireless.
>


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Thanks, guys.  I knew I could count on you for good advice.  I'm reading
the reviews now.

Tina

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Tom needs a new printer for his office.  He prints mostly B&W documents,
> financial statements, crossword puzzles, etc.  The prints don't have to be
> great quality and he likes to save money on ink.  I thought one of the new
> Eco-Epsons that come with two year's worth of ink would be ideal, but they
> get terrible reviews!  Evidently, they are making up for the savings on ink
> by charging a lot for a cheaply made printer - banding issues that make
> documents illegible.
>
> Can anybody recommend an office printer?  He has an old Canon Pixma right
> now but it gets phantom paper jams all the time and refuses to work.
>
> TIA
>
> Tina
> --
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> www.tinamanley.com
> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
>
> http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html
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For many years we have kept 2 printers in the house.  An HP "Photosmart"
wireless, all-in-one, printer/scanner/copier that sets next to my wife's
dean and a  Brother laser printer.  It has USB, network and wireless
connections but I just plug it into the USB port since it sets next to
my desk and my wife's computer sees it as long as my computer is running
(which is almost always)

I've owned HP Photosmart printers for many years but I think HP has
begun to abuse the "PhotoSmart" name.  It used to mean a 5 cartridge
printer with black, cyan, magenta, yellow and "photo black" (actually a
medium gray).  It's a good color printer able to produce fairly nice
prints due to the photo black cartridge.  But I don't think everything
called Photosmart still has 5 individual cartridges.  HP ink is very
expensive but we don't print much color so don't use much of it.
Despite having an Epson 700 high-end scanner I do sometimes use the
scanner/copier of the HP all-in-one as it's a bit faster and easier to
use for a simple job, especially for making one or two copies.

The main printing jobs are handled by the Brother laser.  It's my second
Brother and I bought it because I was impressed by the first one.  This
one shows some cost reduction measures.  The new case is made of lighter
weight plastic making it feel a bit flimsy if you pick it up.  But it
prints just as well as the old one and has higher resolution output and
more memory to handle that.  I think this was actually one of the
cheaper models but, unlike the older one, does support USB, wireless and
network connections.

My experience with low cost laser printers has taught me that I should
only ever buy toner cartridges as replacement parts.  Never bother with
the drum cartridge.  You will likely need a drum cartridge after 2-3
large size toner cartridges.  But drum cartridges are much more
expensive than toner cartridges and, by the time you need a drum
cartridge replacement the printer has done enough work that other things
are more likely to fail.  Just throw the printer out and buy a new one.
It will be cheaper than buying a drum cartridge and then having other
things fail.

These replacement rules probably don't hold for a high-end business
quality HP LaserJet... there I would replace the drum.  But it will be
cheaper to buy a Brother and replace it when is says the drum needs
changing.

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/5/2016 7:42 PM, David Thatcher wrote:
> I've been using Brother momochrome laser printers, and I'm quite happy
> with them. They are very cheap to buy and, of course, the consumables
> are pricey, but there are lots of third party suppliers out there. Cost
> is dependent on the computer interface that is required, they have
> models with USB only (cheapest), USB/wireless, and
> USB/ethernet/wireless.
>
> davidt
>
> On Sun, Jun 05, 2016 at 07:04:46PM -0400, Tina Manley wrote:
>> Tom needs a new printer for his office.  He prints mostly B&W documents,
>> financial statements, crossword puzzles, etc.  The prints don't have to be
>> great quality and he likes to save money on ink.  I thought one of the new
>> Eco-Epsons that come with two year's worth of ink would be ideal, but they
>> get terrible reviews!  Evidently, they are making up for the savings on ink
>> by charging a lot for a cheaply made printer - banding issues that make
>> documents illegible.
>>
>> Can anybody recommend an office printer?  He has an old Canon Pixma right
>> now but it gets phantom paper jams all the time and refuses to work.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Tina
>> --
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>> www.tinamanley.com
>> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
>> http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html
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Thanks, Chuck!   Great advice.  I will do that.

Tins


On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> For many years we have kept 2 printers in the house.  An HP "Photosmart"
> wireless, all-in-one, printer/scanner/copier that sets next to my wife's
> dean and a  Brother laser printer.  It has USB, network and wireless
> connections but I just plug it into the USB port since it sets next to my
> desk and my wife's computer sees it as long as my computer is running
> (which is almost always)
>
> I've owned HP Photosmart printers for many years but I think HP has begun
> to abuse the "PhotoSmart" name.  It used to mean a 5 cartridge printer with
> black, cyan, magenta, yellow and "photo black" (actually a medium gray).
> It's a good color printer able to produce fairly nice prints due to the
> photo black cartridge.  But I don't think everything called Photosmart
> still has 5 individual cartridges.  HP ink is very expensive but we don't
> print much color so don't use much of it. Despite having an Epson 700
> high-end scanner I do sometimes use the scanner/copier of the HP all-in-one
> as it's a bit faster and easier to use for a simple job, especially for
> making one or two copies.
>
> The main printing jobs are handled by the Brother laser.  It's my second
> Brother and I bought it because I was impressed by the first one.  This one
> shows some cost reduction measures.  The new case is made of lighter weight
> plastic making it feel a bit flimsy if you pick it up.  But it prints just
> as well as the old one and has higher resolution output and more memory to
> handle that.  I think this was actually one of the cheaper models but,
> unlike the older one, does support USB, wireless and network connections.
>
> My experience with low cost laser printers has taught me that I should
> only ever buy toner cartridges as replacement parts.  Never bother with the
> drum cartridge.  You will likely need a drum cartridge after 2-3 large size
> toner cartridges.  But drum cartridges are much more expensive than toner
> cartridges and, by the time you need a drum cartridge replacement the
> printer has done enough work that other things are more likely to fail.
> Just throw the printer out and buy a new one. It will be cheaper than
> buying a drum cartridge and then having other things fail.
>
> These replacement rules probably don't hold for a high-end business
> quality HP LaserJet... there I would replace the drum.  But it will be
> cheaper to buy a Brother and replace it when is says the drum needs
> changing.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
>
> On 6/5/2016 7:42 PM, David Thatcher wrote:
>
>> I've been using Brother momochrome laser printers, and I'm quite happy
>> with them. They are very cheap to buy and, of course, the consumables
>> are pricey, but there are lots of third party suppliers out there. Cost
>> is dependent on the computer interface that is required, they have
>> models with USB only (cheapest), USB/wireless, and
>> USB/ethernet/wireless.
>>
>> davidt
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 05, 2016 at 07:04:46PM -0400, Tina Manley wrote:
>>
>>> Tom needs a new printer for his office.  He prints mostly B&W documents,
>>> financial statements, crossword puzzles, etc.  The prints don't have to
>>> be
>>> great quality and he likes to save money on ink.  I thought one of the
>>> new
>>> Eco-Epsons that come with two year's worth of ink would be ideal, but
>>> they
>>> get terrible reviews!  Evidently, they are making up for the savings on
>>> ink
>>> by charging a lot for a cheaply made printer - banding issues that make
>>> documents illegible.
>>>
>>> Can anybody recommend an office printer?  He has an old Canon Pixma right
>>> now but it gets phantom paper jams all the time and refuses to work.
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Tina
>>> --
>>> Tina Manley
>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
>>>
>>> http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html
>>>
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> I don't know how CT might have got the impression of advertising.

I use a text based email client, comes across and looks like
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> $FLKS (long) Here's the website for purchasing their
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> this helps someone.

Though I though it was an odd way of putting a URL.

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New version just announced.

IR has a review, well, sorta, mostly praise of the improved Prime NR.As I said, 
I'm not seeing anything much.

Here's what I had to say in a comment, and the link to my examples:

"I own and use DxO OP 10. I just loaded a trial of 11.

I am underwhelmed. Although I see some VERY subtle differences in the 25,600 
100% samples, I see absolutely none in an 
E-M5 II, ISO 3200 image of mine. I haven't timed them, but DxO OP11 Prime is 
still mighty slow.

NeatImage is noticeably superior, and I have examples. 
<http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/tech/DxO11vsNI/_B003915DxOvsNI.htm>

Look at the NI vs DxO Prime Auto. The DxO is certainly slightly less noisy, NI 
noise is only visible in the shadows, and 
then is very slight. BUT, with Prime,the hairs are much softer, pores mostly 
just gone, plaster texture on the wall just 
gone. This is rather like NR by Blur.

So I tried backing Prime off, in the forth example. To get almost as much 
detail retention, I had to reduce Luminance NR 
from the default 40% to 10%, and Low Frequency from 100 to 0. (LF shouldn't be 
needed for this file, anyway.)

As you can see, there is now quite a lot of noise left, much more than with NI 
as well as various granular artifacts in 
highlights and shadows. AND still no nose pores and all shmushy in the shadowed 
mustache.

As far as I can tell, DxO 11 OP Prime NR, whether faster or not, is no 
different than 10.
And it's clear in this test that NI is substantially better at retaining detail 
and avoiding artifacts while doing a 
great job on NR.

If preparing images for web size display, Prime is not bad, although I can see 
a slight difference in apparent sharpness 
in the whole image between the two even at 900 pixel height. For larger 
printing or cropped images, I just can't see the 
point.

Yes, NI does require a little attention for best results. OTOH, I only need to 
do that once for any camera and ISO, and 
save the profiles for future use. So in daily use, it's actually much quicker 
than Prime, because picking a profile is 
faster than waiting for the Prime engine to finish. (And in PS, I have an 
Action (macro) for applying NI, which makes 
things even quicker.)

DxO also makes funny color from my µ4/3 images, compared to ACR/LR. This 
particular image was shot in quite complex 
mixed light, daylight/shady through a window mixed with various sorts of 
incandescent. Looks awful in DxO. Doesn't look 
quite as bad in ACR, but Auto Color and Auto Exposure/Contrast/etc. (which DxO 
OP doesn't have.) give a very good WB. 
I've copied that over onto the DxO examples, so the WB differences won't be 
distracting."

I agree with another commenter, who concluded "In my opinion Optics Pro 11 is 
not worth the $70 upgrade fee from v10. It 
really should be a free 10.x update."

No Deal Moose

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A steady intake of (real) chocolate is good for you - 70% cocoa is my minimum.
Comes as a palatable supplement to a nice diet of fresh fruit and vegetables.
Amities
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Le 5 juin 2016 à 23:46, Rick Beckrich <rbeckrich@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> My PCP suggested drastically increasing my water intake & taking OTC
> magnesium tabs. Seems to be working for me.
> On Jun 5, 2016 4:54 PM, "Tina Manley" <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Soap works.  That's what I use.
> 
> Tina
> 
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>> <http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/>
>> 
>> Click the link, click on the search box at upper right and type in
>> "cramps".  You'll get a list of remedies which include soap, mustard, dill
>> pickle juice, tonic water, V8 juice, etc, etc.  I think tonic water was
>> actually prescribed in the past by UK doctors.
>> 
>> I used to suffer from severe night cramps in my left calf.  Then I started
>> taking magnesium and potassium supplements which used to help
>> considerably.  But they don't work for me anymore.  Cramps have recently
>> returned, are more frequent and now affect thigh, calf, toes and the tops
>> of my feet.  (I should also point out that the left leg has many other
>> problems than cramps and the cramps may be a side effect)
>> 
>> On the site above I decided to try the dill pickle juice cure.  It is
>> truly magic.  A tablespoon of pickle juice and the pain is gone in about
> 30
>> seconds.  I have no idea how or why it works but it does.  It's an
>> excellent cure for what ails you at the moment but is not a preventative.
>> It doesn't prevent another cramp from waking me up 2 hours later.
>> 
>> Soap is another oddball cure and apparently also a preventive and has also
>> been used for pain relief.  It is assumed that that it's the scent
>> ingredients that penetrate the skin and cause the relief. See:
>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3004545/>
>> 
>> Peoples Pharmacy have been following the application of soaps for cramps
>> since 2008 and are convinced of its efficacy.  They now produce a thin bar
>> of lavender scented soap suitable for placing under the bed sheets. I'm
>> going to try that next.
>> 
>> Note that an old dried-out bar of soap doesn't work.  Scrape it down to a
>> fresher surface.
>> 
>> Chuck Norcutt
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Larry wrote,
I suffer muscle cramps and don't do anything to
warrant them this is recently FDA approved to get rid of them in
minutes. I've been taking 400 mg of magnesium glycinate daily, but on
occassion does not seem to be enough. Its a little pricey but I'll keep
some on hand.

$FLKS (long) Here's the website for purchasing their

HOTSHOT.http://www.teamhotshot.com [1]
The cost is $65 for a 12 Pack,
$35 for a six pack, with free shipping and one
time trial offer upon
checkout.

Developed bywww.*flex*-*pharma*.com/focus.php
 Hope this
helps someone.
LGriffin
...........................................................................
I
also sometimes get muscle cramps in the legs at night as does my other
half.

Two easy remedies; drink some Schweppes Tonic Water ( contains
quinine) which gives rapid control,
and for more persistent cramps,
inexpensive over-the-counter formulations pills and powders containing

magnesium phosphate or magnesium chloride ( of which there are many)
work well.

Cheers, Brian



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I presume the tonic water works better with a slosh of gin ?

...Wayne



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Larry wrote,
I suffer muscle cramps and don't do anything to warrant them this is
recently FDA approved to get rid of them in minutes. I've been taking 400 mg
of magnesium glycinate daily, but on occassion does not seem to be enough.
Its a little pricey but I'll keep some on hand.

$FLKS (long) Here's the website for purchasing their

HOTSHOT.http://www.teamhotshot.com [1]
The cost is $65 for a 12 Pack,
$35 for a six pack, with free shipping and one time trial offer upon
checkout.

Developed bywww.*flex*-*pharma*.com/focus.php
 Hope this
helps someone.
LGriffin
...........................................................................
I
also sometimes get muscle cramps in the legs at night as does my other half.

Two easy remedies; drink some Schweppes Tonic Water ( contains
quinine) which gives rapid control,
and for more persistent cramps,
inexpensive over-the-counter formulations pills and powders containing

magnesium phosphate or magnesium chloride ( of which there are many) work
well.

Cheers, Brian



Links:
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[1]
http://www.teamhotshot.com/
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Thanks for posting, Brian. I've seen a lot of photos of Ali over the years
but never that one. Looks like a fight promotional event. Someone must have
forgotten their ring shoes and they had to wear their street shoes.

Charlie

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  That would be funny, Chris, if it wasn't scary. And that is all I will
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The Donald is likely to capitalize on the contents of Gary J. Byrne's
upcoming book "Crisis of Character" :-)

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>>
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PESO:

Ganats in Iran bring water from the mountain to the desert and have been in
use for over 2000 years.

"Qanats are constructed as a series of well-like
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_well> vertical shafts
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaft_mining>, connected by gently sloping
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sloping> tunnels
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel>. Qanats tap into subterranean water
in a manner that efficiently delivers large quantities of water to the
surface without need for pumping. The water drains by gravity
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity>, with the destination lower than
the source, which is typically an upland aquifer
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquifer>. Qanats allow water to be
transported over long distances in hot dry climates without loss of much of
the water to evaporation <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporation>."

We went to a water museum in Yazd that explained all about the ganats and
how water use was allocated.  There was a lot of interesting information
and many displays but I found the ancient level used to determine the slope
of the ganats to be most fascinating:

http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I0000aSa4vH2oM34

Other photos preceding.

Tina


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I also agree with the recommendation for a laser printer, but
honestly, I'd probably just get another Pixma. Our continues to run
like a champ and we can get the inks at discount prices on line.

I've got a HP deskjet D25xx printer at my home office desk, and use it
for 5-10 pages a week. The ink cost for HP and pretty much any brand
is hideous. Our running costs for the Canons have always been half
that of Epson and HP.

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> I presume the tonic water works better with a slosh of gin ?

Took the words right out of my keyboard.

Shame that it can't work for the cramps that young women suffer.

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Yesterday evening, I photographed this mother raccoon and one of her babies
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http://chriscrawfordphoto.com/family-snapshots/raccoons/index.php

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  My Mom made that same mistake many years ago. She was putting out dry dog
food for months because they looked "hungry". They're supposed to look
hungry, Mom, they're wild animals. At one point she had 30 raccoons in the
back yard waiting for her to emerge with the bag of food. I finally
convinced her to stop but it took months as we gradually weened them. My
advice to your parents, put the garbage can in the garage.

Charlie

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> Yesterday evening, I photographed this mother raccoon and one of her babies
> in my parents backyard.
>
> http://chriscrawfordphoto.com/family-snapshots/raccoons/index.php
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A colorful Jack Daniel's barrel planter caught the morning sun,
partially hiding the airport antenna tower.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/JD+Planter.TIFF.html

A male Mockingbird keeps watch on his territory at the airport (see the
fireplug).

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/DSCF3790FM.tif.html

The recently-acquired Twin Otter requires a snug fit to accommodate it
in the hangar.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/DSCF3792_pt-1.tif.html

Fuji X-E1 with Fujinon 35mm f/2.0

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> they're wild animals....
Yeah, people just ignore the signs to not feed the wildlife. WTF! kill
'em with kindness. We keep the population down around here.

M

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I tried to contact Nils.  Anyone have a current email address?  Seems the site 
needs a small kick.

Grounds Hogs Day has come and gone, Mike


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Is there anyone on the list who is familiar with the scenery of downtown
Montreal, PQ ?

I am in need of identifying some street scenery which I photographed in
late February 1997 having flown in from Vancouver and before heading out
by train for the east coast.

Other than the interior of the church where Fidel Castro was a
pallbearer for our late prime minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau's state
funeral I am lost for the names of buildings and places.

jh

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Possibly. I lived there for a total of about four years over the period
1969-1974.

Michael

On 16-06-06 6:44 PM, John Hudson wrote:
> Is there anyone on the list who is familiar with the scenery of
> downtown Montreal, PQ ?
>
> I am in need of identifying some street scenery which I photographed
> in late February 1997 having flown in from Vancouver and before
> heading out by train for the east coast.
>
> Other than the interior of the church where Fidel Castro was a
> pallbearer for our late prime minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau's state
> funeral I am lost for the names of buildings and places.
>
> jh

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Micheal ...........Thanks. When I have them all scanned and downsized I
will be in touch off-list with the URL. Should be in a week or less.

jh

On 6/6/2016 7:47 PM, Michael R. Collins wrote:
> Possibly. I lived there for a total of about four years over the period
> 1969-1974.
>
> Michael
>
> On 16-06-06 6:44 PM, John Hudson wrote:
>> Is there anyone on the list who is familiar with the scenery of
>> downtown Montreal, PQ ?
>>
>> I am in need of identifying some street scenery which I photographed
>> in late February 1997 having flown in from Vancouver and before
>> heading out by train for the east coast.
>>
>> Other than the interior of the church where Fidel Castro was a
>> pallbearer for our late prime minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau's state
>> funeral I am lost for the names of buildings and places.
>>
>> jh
>
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When the E-M5 II came out, Oly, and thus everyone reporting on or reviewing it 
repeated, that using the Oly plug-in was
necessary in order to get the full resolution of the HR Mode.

I did try opening a couple directly with ACR, and they were indeed quite soft 
looking at 100%. The plug-in generated
versions seemed much sharper.

However, I happen to have taken some shots with a test target with hard, high 
contrast edges for another purpose (my
first time with this sort of targets.)  I'd been surprised at the halo effects. 
So I opened the file directly in ACR.
It's much softer, but without the funny edges (sounds like a supermarket 
product, 'Soft 'n Clean'.)

Curious, I then used Focus Magic to apply generic deconvolution. And then tried 
the plug-in with Sharpness  at -1 and -2
(the only available settings below default.) I also checked Topaz In-Focus. As 
expected, the settings have different
numbers, but the results are quite similar to FM.

DxO claims to do "Lens Sharpening" based on their test/profiling of each lens 
and sensor combination. I found it hard to
pin down, but it seems that DxO uses specific, rather than 'blind', 
deconvolution as part of this function. The do have
a profile for this lens and sensor, in its normal mode, but none for the same 
sensor used in HR Mode. So I'm not sure
they would approve, but I also tried their correction.

I did a web roll-over of these alternatives.
<http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/tech/Focus_Magic/_B003950fpACRvsPlugin.htm>
I have to say I'm a bit disappointed that all Oly is doing is applying some 
sort of sharpening, which looks a lot like
USM, to get the full resolution advantage of their HR file. The broader visual 
stroke widths of the numbers in some of
the other versions are much more like the originals than are those from the 
plug-in.

Seems to me that either Focus Magic or Topaz In-Focus give the best, 
essentially interchangeable, results, whichever one
owns or prefers.

To keep things in perspective, there is still gobs more detail in the HR shots 
than regular shots. Even downsampled to
the 16 MP of the normal shots, they have more/better detail. I'm just testing 
the limits. :-)

Also, test target results aren't necessarily generalizable to more normal 
subjects. But it seems excellent for teasing
out differences here.

I would guess that for most uses, one could go one step higher with most of 
these apps for most use.

Detail Minded Moose

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I look forward to it. BTW, a typo - I was there 1969-1976.

Michael

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> Micheal ...........Thanks. When I have them all scanned and downsized
> I will be in touch off-list with the URL. Should be in a week or less.
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> jh
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> On 6/6/2016 7:47 PM, Michael R. Collins wrote:
>> Possibly. I lived there for a total of about four years over the period
>> 1969-1974.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On 16-06-06 6:44 PM, John Hudson wrote:
>>> Is there anyone on the list who is familiar with the scenery of
>>> downtown Montreal, PQ ?
>>>
>>> I am in need of identifying some street scenery which I photographed
>>> in late February 1997 having flown in from Vancouver and before
>>> heading out by train for the east coast.
>>>
>>> Other than the interior of the church where Fidel Castro was a
>>> pallbearer for our late prime minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau's state
>>> funeral I am lost for the names of buildings and places.
>>>
>>> j
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PESO:

I've noticed on some of the files that I've uploaded to Photoshelter that
there are lines across the photo.  They are not there in the original files
that I upload.  They only show up when the photo is posted on the website.
I assume there has to be some kind of interference or problem when I'm
transmitting the photos with the Photoshelter FTP uploader.  Here is an
example:

http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I0000Tk_HvyRIybw

There are two lines extending from the right hand side a little over
halfway up.  One is black and one is red.  Here is another one:

http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I00000E4K16Z_ACM

The line is in the same place but this time it is white.

Any idea why this is happening and what I can do about it?  I'm going to
upload them again to see if that fixes it but it's a waste of time I don't
have!!

Thanks,

Tina

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I just noticed there is a green line all the way across this one:
http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I00000yzlZGML2oQ

and a white one here:
http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I0000Ybur00tsr4Q

I don't have time to upload these several times!!  All of you electronic
wizards help me out here.

Thanks,

Tina

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> PESO:
>
> I've noticed on some of the files that I've uploaded to Photoshelter that
> there are lines across the photo.  They are not there in the original files
> that I upload.  They only show up when the photo is posted on the website.
> I assume there has to be some kind of interference or problem when I'm
> transmitting the photos with the Photoshelter FTP uploader.  Here is an
> example:
>
>
> http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I0000Tk_HvyRIybw
>
> There are two lines extending from the right hand side a little over
> halfway up.  One is black and one is red.  Here is another one:
>
>
> http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I00000E4K16Z_ACM
>
> The line is in the same place but this time it is white.
>
> Any idea why this is happening and what I can do about it?  I'm going to
> upload them again to see if that fixes it but it's a waste of time I don't
> have!!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tina
>
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<<<NeatImage is noticeably superior, and I have examples. 
<http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/tech/DxO11vsNI/_B003915DxOvsNI.htm>

Well done comparison.   I was aware of this fact for ver 9 and 10 but hoped 11 
would have been very close to NI.
Curiously with flat light on landscapes found I liked DXO better than ACR for  
my Panny files.  I usually pick "portrait " to see what that does on one menu 
in DXO too to augment the default "cam rendering" style with people shots.
I will pass this excellent data on to DXO via their forum--they usually pay 
attention.  They made a full court press to beef up their converter about 4 
versions ago and were largely successful.
I now have an older ACR with CS6  but do not like  (rather detest, actually ) 
the baked in metadata corrections that are obligatory as one loses resolution 
and the framing changes.  I prefer to make the choice.  Also one can smooth out 
the lens performance with a modest touch of deconvolution during conversion 
than port the tiff to PS.  One is obliged to use prime Noise reduction at least 
to a degree to avoid horrible  artifacts from deconvolution on noisy files.  I 
still usually like ACR for Canyon except with purple and skin tones in the same 
shot where DXO or (Portra on OM) have been better for me.

 Reluctant deal, Mike
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You obviously didn't read the medical paper I linked
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3004545/>

This quote is from about half-way down the "Introduction" section
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It was noted that the soap patch was successful in relieving pain from
muscle cramps, knots, and even the trigger point pain associated with
chronic myofascial pain syndrome. The soap patch also is effective for
smooth muscle spasms, relieving the pain from menstrual cramps,
intestinal cramps, and kidney stone.
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Chuck Norcutt


On 6/6/2016 11:03 AM, Ken Norton wrote:
>> I presume the tonic water works better with a slosh of gin ?
>
> Took the words right out of my keyboard.
>
> Shame that it can't work for the cramps that young women suffer.
>
> AG
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John:
I lived there pretty much full time until 1994. I do go back
occasionally, both downtown and suburbs, though things have naturally
changed. I'd be willing to look, too, if that would be helpful.

Martin

On 06/06/2016 7:07 PM, John Hudson wrote:
> Micheal ...........Thanks. When I have them all scanned and downsized I
> will be in touch off-list with the URL. Should be in a week or less.
>
> jh
>
> On 6/6/2016 7:47 PM, Michael R. Collins wrote:
>> Possibly. I lived there for a total of about four years over the period
>> 1969-1974.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On 16-06-06 6:44 PM, John Hudson wrote:
>>> Is there anyone on the list who is familiar with the scenery of
>>> downtown Montreal, PQ ?
>>>
>>> I am in need of identifying some street scenery which I photographed
>>> in late February 1997 having flown in from Vancouver and before
>>> heading out by train for the east coast.
>>>
>>> Other than the interior of the church where Fidel Castro was a
>>> pallbearer for our late prime minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau's state
>>> funeral I am lost for the names of buildings and places.
>>>
>>> jh
>>
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Not to worry about USB 2.0 for a printer.  Some back of the envelope
computations...  assume a printer lays down 300 dpi across a 7x10" page
area printing every single dot.  That's 6,300,000 dots.  Let's also say
that this is an 8-bit gray scale image such that each dot takes a byte
to describe.... that 6,300,000 bytes.

The theoretical speed of USB 2.0 is 480 megabits/sec or 60
megabytes/sec.  That's about 10 times the data rate required to print
our hypothetical page in just one second.  I don't have any one
second/page printers but I know it's not the speed of USB that makes the
pages come out slower.

Chuck Norcutt


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> If you're thinking USB: most of the lower-end ones are still USB 2.0,
> but I doubt that's much of an issue for casual use. Re Wi-Fi: we
> generally suggest to our customers that they wire their printers rather
> than use wireless, to avoid inexplicable failures to connect or slowness
> to connect; I wish we knew why these issues, but haven't been able to
> get to the bottom of it.
>
> Michael
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On 6/6/2016 4:58 PM, Martin Walters wrote:
> John:
> I lived there pretty much full time until 1994. I do go back occasionally, 
> both downtown and suburbs, though things
> have naturally changed. I'd be willing to look, too, if that would be helpful.

Google Maps has Street View there.

Mapped Moose

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On 6/6/2016 4:50 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
> I just noticed there is a green line all the way across this one:
> http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I00000yzlZGML2oQ
>
> and a white one here:
> http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I0000Ybur00tsr4Q
>
> I don't have time to upload these several times!!  All of you electronic
> wizards help me out here.

Have you asked Photo Shelter?

Go to the Source Moose

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No, but I will.  I think it's kind of hard to negotiate their forums and
customer service but I'll try.

Thanks,

Tina

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 6/6/2016 4:50 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
>
>> I just noticed there is a green line all the way across this one:
>>
>> http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I00000yzlZGML2oQ
>>
>> and a white one here:
>>
>> http://tinamanley.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Iran/G0000YmlbTddL96g/I0000Ybur00tsr4Q
>>
>> I don't have time to upload these several times!!  All of you electronic
>> wizards help me out here.
>>
>
> Have you asked Photo Shelter?
>
> Go to the Source Moose
>
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I am not sure that Street View would be of much use if one does not have
any street names or points of reference from which to start. Some of my
images alert absolutely no memories and could be from any large city or
town with old brick buildings two or three storeys high.

jh

On 6/6/2016 9:16 PM, Moose wrote:
> On 6/6/2016 4:58 PM, Martin Walters wrote:
>> John:
>> I lived there pretty much full time until 1994. I do go back
>> occasionally, both downtown and suburbs, though things have naturally
>> changed. I'd be willing to look, too, if that would be helpful.
>
> Google Maps has Street View there.
>
> Mapped Moose
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On 6/6/2016 4:50 PM, Mike Gordon via olympus wrote:
> NDM writes:
>
>
> <<<NeatImage is noticeably superior, and I have examples. 
> <http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/tech/DxO11vsNI/_B003915DxOvsNI.htm>
>
> Well done comparison.   I was aware of this fact for ver 9 and 10 but hoped 
> 11 would have been very close to NI.

It just isn't there. I haven't looked at Adobe's NR for a long time. Perhaps 
DxO is shooting for that? Doesn't matter to me.

> Curiously with flat light on landscapes found I liked DXO better than ACR for 
>  my Panny files.

Not so curious. DxO defaults to higher midtone contrast. I'm also not wild 
about their default color rendering.

> I usually pick "portrait " to see what that does on one menu in DXO too to 
> augment the default "cam rendering" style with people shots.

I've not tried any of that. The truth is that DxO is slow, to load, to do many 
adjustments and to save. It's also not as
good as the plug-ins I use for NR and deconvolution in PS. You'll see how their 
Lens Sharpening works, compared to blind
deconvolution apps Neat Image and Topaz In-Focus in samples I just posted.

So I only use it occasionally for specialty things, such as linear distortion 
correction.

> I will pass this excellent data on to DXO via their forum--they usually pay 
> attention.

Oh goodie, I was wondering where to contact. Now I can ignore it! ;-)

> They made a full court press to beef up their converter about 4 versions ago 
> and were largely successful.

I don't know if the other things, something to do with facial recognition and 
local adjustment(??) are important to
others, but there's nothing for me worth even $69.

> I now have an older ACR with CS6  but do not like  (rather detest, actually ) 
> the baked in metadata corrections that are obligatory as one loses resolution 
> and the framing changes. I prefer to make the choice.

Yes. PTLens has excellent correction profiles, sometimes better than DxO. But I 
don't know anywhere else where one not
only gets good correction profiles, but may also dial in however much one 
wants. Then again, I've so seldom run into
corner detail problems using ACR that it's not a big problem for me.

> Also one can smooth out the lens performance with a modest touch of 
> deconvolution during conversion

Well, see my examples posted today.

>   then port the tiff to PS.

Slow, annoying. Gotta be better to justify that.

> One is obliged to use prime Noise reduction at least to a degree to avoid 
> horrible  artifacts from deconvolution on noisy files.

ACR=>PS, NI, FM, all in one place, better NR, better deconvolution. I would 
really LIKE to like DxO more. Adobe needs
good competition. But I suppose I'm really preferring Adobe's plug-in system in 
most cases, with small operations, like
Focus Magic, Neat Image and one man PTLens being the ones who match or 
outperform DxO OP.

Moose D'Opinion

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On 6/6/2016 3:38 AM, Philippe wrote:
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Nice Catch!

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On 6/5/2016 10:30 PM, Philippe wrote:
> A steady intake of (real) chocolate is good for you - 70% cocoa is my minimum.

My daily standard dose is 20 g of 76%

Sometimes I need more.

Chocolate Moose

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As the Youth Baseball season wraps up, two more scenes from the ball
park.  First, a bright spot (No, I did not increase saturation):

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Bright+Spot_.tif.html

And then, one last action shot, from high in the bleachers:

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Ball+Park+Action_.tif.html

Fujifilm XE1 with Fujinon 27/2.8

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Can I just eat a dill pickle?

I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy them.

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     Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in the fridge.

>
>Can I just eat a dill pickle?
>
>I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy them.
>


Chris

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That's exactly where my dill pickle juice comes from.  If you eat enough
pickle to get a tablespoon of liquid I'm sure that works as well.

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/7/2016 12:46 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>      Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in the fridge.
>
>>
>> Can I just eat a dill pickle?
>>
>> I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy them.
>>
>
>
> Chris
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Chuck,

With all of this discussion of cramps, I would like to ask if anyone has
a cure for tension pain just below the back of the neck, when driving
long distances?  This has developed into a real problem for me.

Jim Nichols
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On 6/7/2016 12:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
> That's exactly where my dill pickle juice comes from. If you eat
> enough pickle to get a tablespoon of liquid I'm sure that works as well.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
> On 6/7/2016 12:46 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>>      Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in the
>> fridge.
>>
>>>
>>> Can I just eat a dill pickle?
>>>
>>> I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy them.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>>      - Hunter S. Thompson
>>

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Make pauses, relax, and/or change car ...
The C5 is a must have, by all means

Amities
Philippe



2016-06-07 19:27 GMT+02:00 Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

> Chuck,
>
> With all of this discussion of cramps, I would like to ask if anyone has a
> cure for tension pain just below the back of the neck, when driving long
> distances?  This has developed into a real problem for me.
>
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
>
>
> On 6/7/2016 12:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>
>> That's exactly where my dill pickle juice comes from. If you eat enough
>> pickle to get a tablespoon of liquid I'm sure that works as well.
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 12:46 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>>
>>>      Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in the
>>> fridge.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Can I just eat a dill pickle?
>>>>
>>>> I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>>>      - Hunter S. Thompson
>>>
>>>
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No local C5 dealer.............

I've tried the other suggestions.  My Volvo V70 is pretty good, but the
problem must be me.  No problems in the passenger seat.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 6/7/2016 2:18 PM, Philippe Amard wrote:
> Make pauses, relax, and/or change car ...
> The C5 is a must have, by all means
>
> Amities
> Philippe
>
>
>
> 2016-06-07 19:27 GMT+02:00 Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> With all of this discussion of cramps, I would like to ask if anyone has a
>> cure for tension pain just below the back of the neck, when driving long
>> distances?  This has developed into a real problem for me.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 12:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>>
>>> That's exactly where my dill pickle juice comes from. If you eat enough
>>> pickle to get a tablespoon of liquid I'm sure that works as well.
>>>
>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/7/2016 12:46 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>>>
>>>>       Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in the
>>>> fridge.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Can I just eat a dill pickle?
>>>>>
>>>>> I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>>>>       - Hunter S. Thompson
>>>>
>>>>
>> --
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How about a U-shaped neck pillow, Jim, provided you don't fall asleep at
the wheel?

Charlie

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> No local C5 dealer.............
>
> I've tried the other suggestions.  My Volvo V70 is pretty good, but the
> problem must be me.  No problems in the passenger seat.
>
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
>
> On 6/7/2016 2:18 PM, Philippe Amard wrote:
>
>> Make pauses, relax, and/or change car ...
>> The C5 is a must have, by all means
>>
>> Amities
>> Philippe
>>
>>
>>
>> 2016-06-07 19:27 GMT+02:00 Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>
>> Chuck,
>>>
>>> With all of this discussion of cramps, I would like to ask if anyone has
>>> a
>>> cure for tension pain just below the back of the neck, when driving long
>>> distances?  This has developed into a real problem for me.
>>>
>>> Jim Nichols
>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/7/2016 12:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>>>
>>> That's exactly where my dill pickle juice comes from. If you eat enough
>>>> pickle to get a tablespoon of liquid I'm sure that works as well.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/7/2016 12:46 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>>>>
>>>>       Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in the
>>>>> fridge.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can I just eat a dill pickle?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>>>>>       - Hunter S. Thompson
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Hi Charlie,

I have improvised that from loose cushions that were in the car, and it
does seem to help a little.  Maybe I need to find one that is dedicated
to the task.  I also found a Danish article on-line that shows some
dumbbell weight exercises that might help.

Thanks for the advice.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 6/7/2016 2:54 PM, Charles Geilfuss wrote:
> How about a U-shaped neck pillow, Jim, provided you don't fall asleep at
> the wheel?
>
> Charlie
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> No local C5 dealer.............
>>
>> I've tried the other suggestions.  My Volvo V70 is pretty good, but the
>> problem must be me.  No problems in the passenger seat.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 2:18 PM, Philippe Amard wrote:
>>
>>> Make pauses, relax, and/or change car ...
>>> The C5 is a must have, by all means
>>>
>>> Amities
>>> Philippe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2016-06-07 19:27 GMT+02:00 Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>
>>> Chuck,
>>>> With all of this discussion of cramps, I would like to ask if anyone has
>>>> a
>>>> cure for tension pain just below the back of the neck, when driving long
>>>> distances?  This has developed into a real problem for me.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/7/2016 12:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That's exactly where my dill pickle juice comes from. If you eat enough
>>>>> pickle to get a tablespoon of liquid I'm sure that works as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/7/2016 12:46 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>        Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in the
>>>>>> fridge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can I just eat a dill pickle?
>>>>>>> I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>>>>>>        - Hunter S. Thompson
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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Lots of them out there, Jim, of all shapes and sizes:
https://www.google.com/search?qÊr+neck+pillow&biw66&bih`3&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved
hUKEwjSnJWY4JbNAhXEmx4KHcgcAdgQsAQIWQ

Should be able to find one at a big box store.

Charlie

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Charlie,
>
> I have improvised that from loose cushions that were in the car, and it
> does seem to help a little.  Maybe I need to find one that is dedicated to
> the task.  I also found a Danish article on-line that shows some dumbbell
> weight exercises that might help.
>
> Thanks for the advice.
>
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
>
> On 6/7/2016 2:54 PM, Charles Geilfuss wrote:
>
>> How about a U-shaped neck pillow, Jim, provided you don't fall asleep at
>> the wheel?
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> No local C5 dealer.............
>>>
>>> I've tried the other suggestions.  My Volvo V70 is pretty good, but the
>>> problem must be me.  No problems in the passenger seat.
>>>
>>> Jim Nichols
>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>
>>> On 6/7/2016 2:18 PM, Philippe Amard wrote:
>>>
>>> Make pauses, relax, and/or change car ...
>>>> The C5 is a must have, by all means
>>>>
>>>> Amities
>>>> Philippe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2016-06-07 19:27 GMT+02:00 Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>
>>>> Chuck,
>>>>
>>>>> With all of this discussion of cramps, I would like to ask if anyone
>>>>> has
>>>>> a
>>>>> cure for tension pain just below the back of the neck, when driving
>>>>> long
>>>>> distances?  This has developed into a real problem for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/7/2016 12:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That's exactly where my dill pickle juice comes from. If you eat enough
>>>>>
>>>>>> pickle to get a tablespoon of liquid I'm sure that works as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/7/2016 12:46 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fridge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can I just eat a dill pickle?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy
>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>>>>>>>        - Hunter S. Thompson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
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Thanks, Charlie.  Those show a lot of imagination. :-)

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 6/7/2016 3:28 PM, Charles Geilfuss wrote:
> Lots of them out there, Jim, of all shapes and sizes:
> https://www.google.com/search?qÊr+neck+pillow&biw66&bih`3&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved
hUKEwjSnJWY4JbNAhXEmx4KHcgcAdgQsAQIWQ
>
> Should be able to find one at a big box store.
>
> Charlie
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi Charlie,
>>
>> I have improvised that from loose cushions that were in the car, and it
>> does seem to help a little.  Maybe I need to find one that is dedicated to
>> the task.  I also found a Danish article on-line that shows some dumbbell
>> weight exercises that might help.
>>
>> Thanks for the advice.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 2:54 PM, Charles Geilfuss wrote:
>>
>>> How about a U-shaped neck pillow, Jim, provided you don't fall asleep at
>>> the wheel?
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> No local C5 dealer.............
>>>> I've tried the other suggestions.  My Volvo V70 is pretty good, but the
>>>> problem must be me.  No problems in the passenger seat.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>
>>>> On 6/7/2016 2:18 PM, Philippe Amard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Make pauses, relax, and/or change car ...
>>>>> The C5 is a must have, by all means
>>>>>
>>>>> Amities
>>>>> Philippe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2016-06-07 19:27 GMT+02:00 Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck,
>>>>>
>>>>>> With all of this discussion of cramps, I would like to ask if anyone
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> cure for tension pain just below the back of the neck, when driving
>>>>>> long
>>>>>> distances?  This has developed into a real problem for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/7/2016 12:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's exactly where my dill pickle juice comes from. If you eat enough
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pickle to get a tablespoon of liquid I'm sure that works as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/7/2016 12:46 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fridge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can I just eat a dill pickle?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy
>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>>>>>>>>         - Hunter S. Thompson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
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> On 07 Jun 2016, at 19:22, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> That's exactly where my dill pickle juice comes from.  If you eat enough 
> pickle to get a tablespoon of liquid I'm sure that works as well.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
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>
> On 6/7/2016 12:46 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>>     Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in the fridge.
>>
>>>
>>> Can I just eat a dill pickle?
>>>
>>> I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy them.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>>     - Hunter S. Thompson
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     Don't have many opportunities for "fresh" pickles, meaning those made by 
the deli itself.  A good crisp pickle generally means not boiled, so for 
grocery stores here you're pretty much limited to Claussen.  I have made 
refrigerator pickled onions, so maybe the process is similar?

>
>But you need proper Polish pickles, not the synthetic stuff from glass jars.
>
>>
>> That's exactly where my dill pickle juice comes from.  If you eat enough 
>> pickle to get a tablespoon of liquid I'm sure that works as well.
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 12:46 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>>>     Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in the fridge.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can I just eat a dill pickle?
>>>>
>>>> I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy them.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


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OK, we've solved cramps and neck aches. How about twitchy leg syndrome?
keeps my wife up at night.

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Restless leg syndrome!  I get that sometimes, too.  Drives me crazy!!  Soap
under sheet works for that, too:

http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2016/02/15/how-to-ease-restless-legs-syndrome-with-soap-under-the-sheet/

Tina

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> OK, we've solved cramps and neck aches. How about twitchy leg syndrome?
> keeps my wife up at night.
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I have a whole basement full of pickles that I have made - dill, sweet,
bread and butter, chunks, spears, hamburger slices, relish, chow chow.
This year I planted 9 hills of 6 cucumber plants each to make more
pickles.  They are doing great if I can keep them watered!

Come to SC and I'll give you some!

Tina

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>      Don't have many opportunities for "fresh" pickles, meaning those made
> by the deli itself.  A good crisp pickle generally means not boiled, so for
> grocery stores here you're pretty much limited to Claussen.  I have made
> refrigerator pickled onions, so maybe the process is similar?
>
> >
> >But you need proper Polish pickles, not the synthetic stuff from glass
> jars.
> >
> >>
> >> That's exactly where my dill pickle juice comes from.  If you eat
> enough pickle to get a tablespoon of liquid I'm sure that works as well.
> >>
> >> Chuck Norcutt
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/7/2016 12:46 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
> >>>     Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in the
> fridge.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Can I just eat a dill pickle?
> >>>>
> >>>> I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy them.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
> Chris
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     I figured that you would have some.  What do you use for a base recipe for 
the pickling liquid and spices for dill?

>
>I have a whole basement full of pickles that I have made - dill, sweet,
>bread and butter, chunks, spears, hamburger slices, relish, chow chow.
>This year I planted 9 hills of 6 cucumber plants each to make more
>pickles.  They are doing great if I can keep them watered!
>
>Come to SC and I'll give you some!
>
>Tina
>
>On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
>
>>      Don't have many opportunities for "fresh" pickles, meaning those made
>> by the deli itself.  A good crisp pickle generally means not boiled, so for
>> grocery stores here you're pretty much limited to Claussen.  I have made
>> refrigerator pickled onions, so maybe the process is similar?
>

Chris

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Dill Pickles

8 pounds 4" to 6" cucumbers cut in quarters lengthwise
1/2 cup sugar
1/2 cup canning salt
1 quart white vinegar
1 quart water
3 Tablespoons pickling spices (Mixed from the Spice section)
1 head Dill per jar
I garlic per jar
1 red pepper per jar

Combine sugar, salt, vinegar and water in large pot.  Tie spices in
cheesecloth bag and add to vinegar mixture.  Simmer 15 minutes.  Pack
cucumbers in hot jars, leaving 1/4" head space.  Put dill, garlic and
pepper in each jar.  Bring vinegar mixture to boil and pour over cucumbers,
leaving 1/4" head space.  Adjust caps.  Process pints and quarts 15 minutes
in boiling bath.
Yield about 7 pints.

Put 1/8 teaspoon of calcium chloride in each jar for very crisp pickles.

My dill, peppers and garlic are already growing.  The cucumbers are
blooming.

It's really very easy.

Tina

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

>      I figured that you would have some.  What do you use for a base
> recipe for the pickling liquid and spices for dill?
>
> >
> >I have a whole basement full of pickles that I have made - dill, sweet,
> >bread and butter, chunks, spears, hamburger slices, relish, chow chow.
> >This year I planted 9 hills of 6 cucumber plants each to make more
> >pickles.  They are doing great if I can keep them watered!
> >
> >Come to SC and I'll give you some!
> >
> >Tina
> >
> >On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>      Don't have many opportunities for "fresh" pickles, meaning those
> made
> >> by the deli itself.  A good crisp pickle generally means not boiled, so
> for
> >> grocery stores here you're pretty much limited to Claussen.  I have made
> >> refrigerator pickled onions, so maybe the process is similar?
> >
>
> Chris
>
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I bought a HP LaserJet 5L in 1995 and its life came to an end only
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Small footprint, 600 dpi, very
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I really miss it; great little printer.


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Hi Tina,

Another wonderful series.

I envy the resolution of your
cameras.

I notice however that some ( about 3 - 4 ) of your Zoroastran
images seem to have extraneous horizontal lines on the RHS; I suggest
you check these out

Cheers, Brian

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With reference to the discussion I initiated a few days ago,
comparing my OM DM5 with Maggie's daughter's Canyon;

a doubting Thomas
or two thought that FastStone image comparison tool would not be able to
show the difference between the two systems.

Here, and in the
following image are two screen scrapes made using Irfanview of the
comparison screen.

http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 238


The canyon image is on the left. To my eyes the OM image is MUCH
sharper.

The canyon lens is non-IS, but that shouldn't have made any
difference because I held each camera firmly on the same large concrete
Survey pillar set on a ridge-top.

Cheers, Brian

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And not just that - distortion brings in a slant to the road that probably
was never there in the first place
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>
>
> With reference to the discussion I initiated a few days ago,
> comparing my OM DM5 with Maggie's daughter's Canyon;
>
> a doubting Thomas
> or two thought that FastStone image comparison tool would not be able to
> show the difference between the two systems.
>
> Here, and in the
> following image are two screen scrapes made using Irfanview of the
> comparison screen.
>
> http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 238
>
>
> The canyon image is on the left. To my eyes the OM image is MUCH
> sharper.
>
> The canyon lens is non-IS, but that shouldn't have made any
> difference because I held each camera firmly on the same large concrete
> Survey pillar set on a ridge-top.
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Nice,

effective IBIS too

What ISO we you using?

AMities
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On 6/7/2016 6:47 AM, Bob Benson wrote:
> I was interested in Moose' discussion of HR and various software processing
> alternatives.  I am curious:  Moose didn't mention Olympus Viewer -- would
> this have made any difference ?

I'm not a Viewer user, well hardly ever, so I didn't even think of it.

Yes, there's an update that includes processing HR files. The results appear to 
me to be the same as from the PS
plug-in, which is no surprise; why rewrite code?

It is VERY slow making changes to HR files; makes DxO look fast, almost. We're 
off wandering for a couple of days
tomorrow morning, so I don't have time for anything more. Then again, that's 
about all there is.

Another Alternative Moose

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On 6/7/2016 8:35 PM, bj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

>   . . .
>
> Here, and in the
> following image are two screen scrapes made using Irfanview of the
> comparison screen.
>
> http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 238
>
>
> The canyon image is on the left. To my eyes the OM image is MUCH
> sharper.
>
> The canyon lens is non-IS, but that shouldn't have made any
> difference because I held each camera firmly on the same large concrete
> Survey pillar set on a ridge-top.

The Canon is terrible! That it's a non IS lens isn't only about IS, it's about 
the cost of it to Canon to sell as part
of a rock bottom price kit. The non IS version is an old, cheap design, 
probably more closely related to the bottom of a
soda bottle than to their premium lenses.

Nevertheless, that image is so bad that I would look into it further;  
something wrong with settings of the camera, or
the camera itself. Might it be set on some sort of scene mode? Or maybe a 
really bad example of the lens?

I would reset everything, set the camera to Manual and take a couple of shots. 
If it is still like that, it should go back.

Smushy Moose

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An unimpressive performance by a market-leader, Brian, and thanks for the
comparison. I am sure it will hold absolutely zero interest for the camera's
happy user, who has other requirements than image resolution.

But I think you are mistaken regarding the FastStone image comparison tool -
nobody posted a single word about it!

Piers

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With reference to the discussion I initiated a few days ago,
comparing my OM DM5 with Maggie's daughter's Canyon;

a doubting Thomas
or two thought that FastStone image comparison tool would not be able to
show the difference between the two systems.

Here, and in the
following image are two screen scrapes made using Irfanview of the
comparison screen.

http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 238


The canyon image is on the left. To my eyes the OM image is MUCH
sharper.

The canyon lens is non-IS, but that shouldn't have made any
difference because I held each camera firmly on the same large concrete
Survey pillar set on a ridge-top.

Cheers, Brian

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Philippe wrote

And not just that - distortion brings in a slant to
the road that probably was never there in the first place


Amities
Philippe

Philippe, the enlargements are crops from this set
of shots that I took.
You decide now if it is distortion. Image best
viewed large.
http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 185

and to
reply to Moose; I have no doubt your logic is correct. However, the
young lady in question is unbelievably careless with her new camera.
It
will likely go the same way that a couple of her smart phones have; lost
in the park-run over by council mower; left out in the rain.
She doesn't
care, she's having it just as a status symbol. Just takes nice stuff for
granted. And is not prepared to learn even the basics.
She is spoiled
rotten by her grandmother. It's not worth the effort in this case to get
a better lens.

Brian

> With reference to the discussion I initiated a
few days ago, comparing my OM DM5 with Maggie's daughter's Canyon; a
doubting Thomas or two thought that FastStone image comparison tool
would not be able to show the difference between the two systems. Here,
and in the following image are two screen scrapes made using Irfanview
of the comparison screen.
http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 238 [1] The canyon image
is on the left. To my eyes the OM image is MUCH sharper. The canyon lens
is non-IS, but that shouldn't have made any difference because I held
each camera firmly on the same large concrete Survey pillar set on a
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I was half expecting Moose to do a "Moosification" to it to correct my
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On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> And then, one last action shot, from high in the bleachers:
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> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Ball+Park+Action_.tif.html
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Nice one!  Did the ball stay in fair territory?

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Whoa... that would be fun.

Moose - you up to the challenge?

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Ken Norton <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I was half expecting Moose to do a "Moosification" to it to correct my
> post-processing halos.
>
> AG
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Thanks, Joel.  As best I recall, the ball was picked up in the infield
and the hitter was thrown out at first, advancing the runner to second.

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>> And then, one last action shot, from high in the bleachers:
>>
>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Ball+Park+Action_.tif.html
>>
> Nice one!  Did the ball stay in fair territory?
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I like the planter, but the vignetting bothers me.

That hangar looks like a real-world game of Airplane Tetris...

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> A colorful Jack Daniel's barrel planter caught the morning sun, partially
> hiding the airport antenna tower.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/JD+Planter.TIFF.html
>
> A male Mockingbird keeps watch on his territory at the airport (see the
> fireplug).
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/DSCF3790FM.tif.html
>
> The recently-acquired Twin Otter requires a snug fit to accommodate it in
> the hangar.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/DSCF3792_pt-1.tif.html
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> Fuji X-E1 with Fujinon 35mm f/2.0
>
> Comments and critiques welcomed and appreciated.
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On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Christopher Crawford <
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> Yesterday evening, I went out and did some landscape photographs in rural
> southwest Allen County, Indiana. I made this one looking northwest from
> South County Line Road.
>
> http://chriscrawfordphoto.com/chris-details.php?product#80
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> I am sure it will hold absolutely zero interest for the camera's
> happy user, who has other requirements than image resolution.
>

Piers, your polished command of wry understatement -- or whatever we should
call it -- always brings a smile!

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On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Thanks, Joel.  As best I recall, the ball was picked up in the infield and
> the hitter was thrown out at first, advancing the runner to second.
>

Looked like it was headed for the first base line!  I was thinking
in-the-park home run.  Photographic trickery robbed the home team!

Joel W.
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Haloes, or just unusual bokeh?

Michael

On 16-06-08 9:42 AM, Paul Braun wrote:
> Whoa... that would be fun.
>
> Moose - you up to the challenge?
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Ken Norton <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I was half expecting Moose to do a "Moosification" to it to correct my
>> post-processing halos.
>>
>> AG

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Nice photos.

We have raccoons in our area, but we have been lucky so far that they've
stayed out of our yard. To them, our pond looks like a fresh sushi bar.

I did discover that we have an opossum that visits - we had put out a dish
of cat food for a stray cat that had been visiting. At least we thought
that's who was eating, until I opened the door last night to toss some
recycling out and came face-to-face with a cat-sized opossum.

I did some research, and they're omnivores, and list frogs among their menu
items. I talked to a friend who's a wildlife rehabilitator and she told me
that opossums are lazy - if we keep catering, it won't want to go shopping.
So, in effect, it's another little extortion racket like your parents'
'coons.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Christopher Crawford <
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> Yesterday evening, I photographed this mother raccoon and one of her babies
> in my parents backyard.
>
> http://chriscrawfordphoto.com/family-snapshots/raccoons/index.php
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Hi Paul,

Thanks for looking and commenting.  I used the vignetting to hide some
distractions that I could not otherwise eliminate.

Moving larger airplanes around in a hangar requires a lot of care, to
avoid "hangar rash" from unwanted contact.  The airport employees are
very adept at the use of small service vehicles and tow bars.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 6/8/2016 8:44 AM, Paul Braun wrote:
> I like the planter, but the vignetting bothers me.
>
> That hangar looks like a real-world game of Airplane Tetris...
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> A colorful Jack Daniel's barrel planter caught the morning sun, partially
>> hiding the airport antenna tower.
>>
>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/JD+Planter.TIFF.html
>>
>> A male Mockingbird keeps watch on his territory at the airport (see the
>> fireplug).
>>
>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/DSCF3790FM.tif.html
>>
>> The recently-acquired Twin Otter requires a snug fit to accommodate it in
>> the hangar.
>>
>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/DSCF3792_pt-1.tif.html
>>
>> Fuji X-E1 with Fujinon 35mm f/2.0
>>
>> Comments and critiques welcomed and appreciated.
>>
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>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
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My bad then, thanks.

I had attributed the slant to mustache distortion as the curb of the road 
seemed fairly identical in both,  and am now left with conjectures only :-(

Amities
Philippe

Le 8 juin 2016 à 13:31, bj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx a écrit :

> Philippe wrote 
> 
> And not just that - distortion brings in a slant to
> the road that probably was never there in the first place
> 
> 
> Amities
> Philippe
> 
> Philippe, the enlargements are crops from this set
> of shots that I took.
> You decide now if it is distortion. Image best
> viewed large.
> http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId=20185

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But Joel, I wasn't even trying! Truth be told, I always like to leave
something implied, to be read "between the lines" by the careful reader. I
believe the 'mots justes' here would be - "You da man, Joel" *, so thanks
for making it worthwhile, glad that someone notices.

Piers

*Believe me, that ain't no wry understatement, I am hearing Mohammed Ali's
voice.

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On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 6:01 AM, Piers Hemy <piers@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I am sure it will hold absolutely zero interest for the camera's
> happy user, who has other requirements than image resolution.
>

Piers, your polished command of wry understatement -- or whatever we should
call it -- always brings a smile!

Joel (je ne sais quoi) W.
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> Haloes, or just unusual bokeh?

I knew I should have focus stacked that post.

AG Schnozz
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A while ago I related my story of problems for me on the water.


http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 092

Seems I did
nothing wrong. when the outboard motor leg was taken apart, it was found
that the key/key-way linking the rubber water-pump impellor to its shaft
had sheared, so that the pump wasn't driven.

Further, it seems that
the over-head alarm wasn't working too well, and didn't sound until the
heat was severe enough for the cable insulation to melt and let the bare
wire touch the engine body. Then it shorted and the alarm sounded.

My
service man is trying to find out if the impellor supplier will accept
some of the blame.

He also thinks that the motor will probably need a
re-bore as well as the expected new gaskets etc

Brian

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Focus-stacked and HDR'd.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Ken Norton <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> > Haloes, or just unusual bokeh?
>
> I knew I should have focus stacked that post.
>
> AG Schnozz
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On 6/8/2016 6:42 AM, Paul Braun wrote:
> Whoa... that would be fun.
>
> Moose - you up to the challenge?

We're leaving town for three days. You'll have to pick up the slack. :-)

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On 6/8/2016 6:32 AM, Ken Norton wrote:
> I was half expecting Moose to do a "Moosification" to it to correct my
> post-processing halos.

I remember the popular definition of insanity.

Psycho Moose

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Nils  email bounced at the tako address. Anyone have a way to give him a heads 
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Original archives fan,
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I received a response on the DXO forum where the developers prowl but not from 
a DXO rep--they seem overextended these days compared to a year or two ago but 
always have  responded to direct e-mails.

"@usher99: I'm a bit of a Moose fan, and I still have his branded warming 
polariser; which was a brilliant idea in the days of film, but I must say I'm 
surprised by his results. Also surprised by the clipped highlights. I hope he 
actually used Prime rather than the default HQ (Fast). Why DxO defaults to HQ 
(Fast) I don't know... I know several people who dismissed DxO noise reduction 
because they didn't realise Prime was turned off by default; and had been using 
HQ (Fast) by accident instead!

I'd be curious to play with that RAW file and see what results I could get 
though? I generally find NeatImage (my copy of 6.1 at least) is inferior to DxO 
Prime. Remember that DxO doesn't apply much sharpening by default, and applies 
a bit of blur to OOF areas to preserve bokeh; both these settings can be easily 
changed though."

I said I was a Moose fan too, but corrected his impression on which Moose.  :-))

I also removed any doubt whether Prime was used or not.  I would doubt if the 
one file were an aberration and not sure if it is worth Moose time to provide a 
link to the raw file but thought I should post the reply at least.

We have the superior Moose on this list, Mike






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Wednesday is the first workday of the week for the skydiver operation,
so I checked to see what was going on and found a few jumpers enjoying
the beautiful weather.  And, when jumpers are working, the onlookers
tend to be there, too.

A nice landing for a tandem pair, with the the company coordinator there
to greet them.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Happy+Landing_.tif.html

And, a shapely young lady wants to capture the activity with her smart
phone.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Phone+Pix.tif.html

Fuji X-E1 with Fujinon 35mm f/2.0

Comments and critiques welcomed and appreciated.

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If you haven't already, you might send an enquiry on his TAKO Web site
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> Original archives fan,
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Very shapely, Jim!

Chris

> On 8 Jun 2016, at 21:16, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> And, a shapely young lady wants to capture the activity with her smart phone.
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> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Phone+Pix.tif.html 
> <http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Phone+Pix.tif.html>
>
> Fuji X-E1 with Fujinon 35mm f/2.0

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Shapely, indeed, but shooting into the sun with a smartphone lens...

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Wednesday is the first workday of the week for the skydiver operation, so
> I checked to see what was going on and found a few jumpers enjoying the
> beautiful weather.  And, when jumpers are working, the onlookers tend to be
> there, too.
>
> A nice landing for a tandem pair, with the the company coordinator there
> to greet them.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Happy+Landing_.tif.html
>
> And, a shapely young lady wants to capture the activity with her smart
> phone.
>
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Phone+Pix.tif.html
>
> Fuji X-E1 with Fujinon 35mm f/2.0
>
> Comments and critiques welcomed and appreciated.
>
> --
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> Tullahoma, TN USA
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Yes!

Jim Nichols
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On 6/8/2016 3:45 PM, ChrisB wrote:
> Very shapely, Jim!
>
> Chris
>
>> On 8 Jun 2016, at 21:16, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> And, a shapely young lady wants to capture the activity with her smart phone.
>>
>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Phone+Pix.tif.html 
>> <http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Phone+Pix.tif.html>
>>
>> Fuji X-E1 with Fujinon 35mm f/2.0

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Doesn't work for me either, but maybe I don't have her magic.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 6/8/2016 3:46 PM, Paul Braun wrote:
> Shapely, indeed, but shooting into the sun with a smartphone lens...
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Wednesday is the first workday of the week for the skydiver operation, so
>> I checked to see what was going on and found a few jumpers enjoying the
>> beautiful weather.  And, when jumpers are working, the onlookers tend to be
>> there, too.
>>
>> A nice landing for a tandem pair, with the the company coordinator there
>> to greet them.
>>
>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Happy+Landing_.tif.html
>>
>> And, a shapely young lady wants to capture the activity with her smart
>> phone.
>>
>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Phone+Pix.tif.html
>>
>> Fuji X-E1 with Fujinon 35mm f/2.0
>>
>> Comments and critiques welcomed and appreciated.
>>
>> --
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>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>
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>> Haloes, or just unusual bokeh?
>
>I knew I should have focus stacked that post.
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     Back in the early days of the internet, when we used TELNET and the PINE 
email reader, there was an active ASCII art community, which included one-line 
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     *

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     * *
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Has anyone cleaned dust particles from a Fuji sensor?

I accidentally shot blue sky at f/16 today, and, lo and behold, there
were a couple of spots showing.  Examining the sensor with a magnifier,
I would guess they are lint particles.  What has worked for others in
removing these?

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Some distortion in the third one as seen from here ;-)
What lens is that?

But beautiful subject, no doubt about it!


Amities
Philippe, happy to see the first picture you actually posted since I joined ;-)

 
Le 8 juin 2016 à 22:50, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

>> 
>>> Haloes, or just unusual bokeh?
>> 
>> I knew I should have focus stacked that post.
>> 
> 
>     Back in the early days of the internet, when we used TELNET and the PINE 
> email reader, there was an active ASCII art community, which included 
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> about all of that, so here is my take on this thread (a fixed pitch font like 
> courier is needed):
> 
> Subject in focus:
> 
>     *
> 
> Subject out of focus:
> 
>     * *
>    *   *
>     * *
> 
> Subject with bokeh:
> 
>     ___
>    /   \
>   |  *  |
>    \___/
> 
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
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I bought a can of "clean" air some time ago and have been using it on occasions 
on the nikon and the fuji

No problem so far.

BUT, I first release the valve for a couple of seconds before using it on the 
sensor, 
AND I keep the can vertical lest some fluid might cause more damage that the 
operation is supped to solve.

Good luck Jim

Amities
Philippe
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> Has anyone cleaned dust particles from a Fuji sensor?
> 
> I accidentally shot blue sky at f/16 today, and, lo and behold, there were a 
> couple of spots showing.  Examining the sensor with a magnifier, I would 
> guess they are lint particles.  What has worked for others in removing these?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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> Tullahoma, TN USA
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Thanks, Philippe.  I think I would prefer to start with a squeeze bulb 
of some sort.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 6/8/2016 4:10 PM, Philippe wrote:
> I bought a can of "clean" air some time ago and have been using it on 
> occasions on the nikon and the fuji
>
> No problem so far.
>
> BUT, I first release the valve for a couple of seconds before using it on the 
> sensor,
> AND I keep the can vertical lest some fluid might cause more damage that the 
> operation is supped to solve.
>
> Good luck Jim
>
> Amities
> Philippe
> Le 8 juin 2016 à 23:04, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>
>> Has anyone cleaned dust particles from a Fuji sensor?
>>
>> I accidentally shot blue sky at f/16 today, and, lo and behold, there were a 
>> couple of spots showing.  Examining the sensor with a magnifier, I would 
>> guess they are lint particles.  What has worked for others in removing these?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>
>> -- 
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Squeeze bulbs carry dust ?

Ph


Le 8 juin 2016 à 23:19, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> Thanks, Philippe.  I think I would prefer to start with a squeeze bulb of 
> some sort.
> 
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
> 
> On 6/8/2016 4:10 PM, Philippe wrote:
>> I bought a can of "clean" air some time ago and have been using it on 
>> occasions on the nikon and the fuji
>> 
>> No problem so far.
>> 
>> BUT, I first release the valve for a couple of seconds before using it on 
>> the sensor,
>> AND I keep the can vertical lest some fluid might cause more damage that the 
>> operation is supped to solve.
>> 
>> Good luck Jim
>> 
>> Amities
>> Philippe
>> Le 8 juin 2016 à 23:04, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>> 
>>> Has anyone cleaned dust particles from a Fuji sensor?
>>> 
>>> I accidentally shot blue sky at f/16 today, and, lo and behold, there were 
>>> a couple of spots showing.  Examining the sensor with a magnifier, I would 
>>> guess they are lint particles.  What has worked for others in removing 
>>> these?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Jim Nichols
>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>> 
>>> -- 
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> 
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I guess that could be so, but if I had one, I would keep it in a fresh 
zip lock bag, to keep it away from any source of dust.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 6/8/2016 4:24 PM, Philippe wrote:
> Squeeze bulbs carry dust ?
>
> Ph
>
>
> Le 8 juin 2016 à 23:19, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>
>> Thanks, Philippe.  I think I would prefer to start with a squeeze bulb of 
>> some sort.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>
>> On 6/8/2016 4:10 PM, Philippe wrote:
>>> I bought a can of "clean" air some time ago and have been using it on 
>>> occasions on the nikon and the fuji
>>>
>>> No problem so far.
>>>
>>> BUT, I first release the valve for a couple of seconds before using it on 
>>> the sensor,
>>> AND I keep the can vertical lest some fluid might cause more damage that 
>>> the operation is supped to solve.
>>>
>>> Good luck Jim
>>>
>>> Amities
>>> Philippe
>>> Le 8 juin 2016 à 23:04, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Has anyone cleaned dust particles from a Fuji sensor?
>>>>
>>>> I accidentally shot blue sky at f/16 today, and, lo and behold, there were 
>>>> a couple of spots showing.  Examining the sensor with a magnifier, I would 
>>>> guess they are lint particles.  What has worked for others in removing 
>>>> these?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> Options: http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus
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>>>>
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should have written "propel dust"

ph

Le 8 juin 2016 à 23:28, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :

> I guess that could be so, but if I had one, I would keep it in a fresh zip 
> lock bag, to keep it away from any source of dust.
> 
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
> 
> On 6/8/2016 4:24 PM, Philippe wrote:
>> Squeeze bulbs carry dust ?
>> 
>> Ph
>> 
>> 
>> Le 8 juin 2016 à 23:19, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>> 
>>> Thanks, Philippe.  I think I would prefer to start with a squeeze bulb of 
>>> some sort.
>>> 
>>> Jim Nichols
>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>> 
>>> On 6/8/2016 4:10 PM, Philippe wrote:
>>>> I bought a can of "clean" air some time ago and have been using it on 
>>>> occasions on the nikon and the fuji
>>>> 
>>>> No problem so far.
>>>> 
>>>> BUT, I first release the valve for a couple of seconds before using it on 
>>>> the sensor,
>>>> AND I keep the can vertical lest some fluid might cause more damage that 
>>>> the operation is supped to solve.
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck Jim
>>>> 
>>>> Amities
>>>> Philippe
>>>> Le 8 juin 2016 à 23:04, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>>> 
>>>>> Has anyone cleaned dust particles from a Fuji sensor?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I accidentally shot blue sky at f/16 today, and, lo and behold, there 
>>>>> were a couple of spots showing.  Examining the sensor with a magnifier, I 
>>>>> would guess they are lint particles.  What has worked for others in 
>>>>> removing these?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>> 
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I assume that anything one blows from the surface has to fall 
somewhere.  Is this usually a problem ?

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 6/8/2016 4:40 PM, Philippe wrote:
> should have written "propel dust"
>
> ph
>
> Le 8 juin 2016 à 23:28, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>
>> I guess that could be so, but if I had one, I would keep it in a fresh zip 
>> lock bag, to keep it away from any source of dust.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>
>> On 6/8/2016 4:24 PM, Philippe wrote:
>>> Squeeze bulbs carry dust ?
>>>
>>> Ph
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 8 juin 2016 à 23:19, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Philippe.  I think I would prefer to start with a squeeze bulb of 
>>>> some sort.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>
>>>> On 6/8/2016 4:10 PM, Philippe wrote:
>>>>> I bought a can of "clean" air some time ago and have been using it on 
>>>>> occasions on the nikon and the fuji
>>>>>
>>>>> No problem so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> BUT, I first release the valve for a couple of seconds before using it on 
>>>>> the sensor,
>>>>> AND I keep the can vertical lest some fluid might cause more damage that 
>>>>> the operation is supped to solve.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Amities
>>>>> Philippe
>>>>> Le 8 juin 2016 à 23:04, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone cleaned dust particles from a Fuji sensor?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I accidentally shot blue sky at f/16 today, and, lo and behold, there 
>>>>>> were a couple of spots showing.  Examining the sensor with a magnifier, 
>>>>>> I would guess they are lint particles.  What has worked for others in 
>>>>>> removing these?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
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Someone mentioned that one needs to learn to use the zone tool in SEP
2.  I decided to do just that when converting this image.  It will take
time to master it, but it is well worth the effort.

http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Phone+Pix+with+SEP+2.TIFF.html

I like this one better than the color version.

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Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

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I have cleaned the sensor in each of my X Pro 1 and X-T1 bodies using
swabs and cleaning fluid seen on the www.VisibleDust.com web site.

Despite having been thoroughly panned for gross stupidity by one or more
listees I have experienced no subsequent adverse consequences !

I am not supportive of some prior advice about inserting Q-Tis like
sticks with bits of Swiffer Wet Jet material attached into the camera
body. Swiffer Wet Jets are designed for mopping the kitchen floor, not
camera sensors :-)

jh



On 6/8/2016 6:04 PM, Jim Nichols wrote:
> Has anyone cleaned dust particles from a Fuji sensor?
>
> I accidentally shot blue sky at f/16 today, and, lo and behold, there
> were a couple of spots showing.  Examining the sensor with a magnifier,
> I would guess they are lint particles.  What has worked for others in
> removing these?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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Blowing a stream of canned air into the interior of the camera body to 
dislodge a spec of dust on the sensor is likely to dislodge any other 
dust particles in the cavity and put them into circulation or suspension 
........ a bit like using a powered leaf blower; they only move 
somewhere else.


jh

On 6/8/2016 6:10 PM, Philippe wrote:
> I bought a can of "clean" air some time ago and have been using it on 
> occasions on the nikon and the fuji
>
> No problem so far.
>
> BUT, I first release the valve for a couple of seconds before using it on the 
> sensor,
> AND I keep the can vertical lest some fluid might cause more damage that the 
> operation is supped to solve.
>
> Good luck Jim
>
> Amities
> Philippe
> Le 8 juin 2016 à 23:04, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>
>> Has anyone cleaned dust particles from a Fuji sensor?
>>
>> I accidentally shot blue sky at f/16 today, and, lo and behold, there were a 
>> couple of spots showing.  Examining the sensor with a magnifier, I would 
>> guess they are lint particles.  What has worked for others in removing these?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> --
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>
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I have used pieces of Swiffer material but just the dry stuff, not the
Wet Jet.

But, after 7 years of cleaning the Canon 5D I learned some important
lessons. Unless your sensor has a dust shaker like the OM-Ds, spot free
shots at f/16 is a nearly impossible cleanliness standard.  You may
recall that, while trying to clean the E-M1, I was observing the sensor
(actually the SSW filter) at 3X magnification.  As I was cleaning I
could see (in real time) very fine dust particles settling onto the
SSWF.  For the OM-Ds that's not harmful since the SSWF shakes them right
off.  But not so the Canon 5D.  You can clean until the cows come home
but, if you take a blue sky shot at f/16 you're going to see those tiny
pieces of dust.  So I long ago gave up testing (and shooting) the Canon
beyond f/11.

I have tried numerous brands and incarnations of swabs and liquid
cleaners.  These things are expensive and hard to use properly.  Much
better and much cheaper is the SensoKlear (also apparently beloved by
the Moose).  I considered it highly probable (before I had one) that the
SensorKlear would more likely destroy my sensor before it cleaned it.
But such it not the case at all.  In my books it works every bit as well
as well-done wet cleaning and if both far easier and far cheaper.  Try
it, you'll like.

You'll find all sorts of related, expensive junk here
<https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_11?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=sensorklear&sprefix=SensorKlear%2Caps%2C311>

But this is the only thing you need
<https://www.amazon.com/Lenspen-LENSK1-Sensorclear-Dslr-Cleaner/product-reviews/B000I30HOS/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&showViewpoints=0&pageNumber=1>

or maybe you'd prefer the one with articulated tip
<https://www.amazon.com/Lenspen-LENSK1A-Sensorklear-Articulated-Tip/dp/B001QUIEIS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid65429685&sr=8-1&keywords=sensorklear>

I was surprised when I saw the reviews on Amazon.  I would have expected
everyone would give it 5 stars.  But there are a few 2 stars and quite a
number of one star reviews.  After reading these reviews I can only say
that most of these folks 1) have never actually used the device or 2)
don't know how to use the device.  For some it doesn't work because
they're afraid to use pressure to clean stubborn spots.  The filter on
your sensor is as tough as a lens filter.  Don't be afraid to scrub a
bit if needed.

Some folks complained that all it did was push the dirt into the
corners.  Well, yeah, if you sweep the floor from the center outward and
end at the corners you might push dirt into the corner.  Start at the
corners and work toward the center.

Chuck Norcutt





On 6/8/2016 7:28 PM, John Hudson wrote:
> I have cleaned the sensor in each of my X Pro 1 and X-T1 bodies using
> swabs and cleaning fluid seen on the www.VisibleDust.com web site.
>
> Despite having been thoroughly panned for gross stupidity by one or more
> listees I have experienced no subsequent adverse consequences !
>
> I am not supportive of some prior advice about inserting Q-Tis like
> sticks with bits of Swiffer Wet Jet material attached into the camera
> body. Swiffer Wet Jets are designed for mopping the kitchen floor, not
> camera sensors :-)
>
> jh
>
>
>
> On 6/8/2016 6:04 PM, Jim Nichols wrote:
>> Has anyone cleaned dust particles from a Fuji sensor?
>>
>> I accidentally shot blue sky at f/16 today, and, lo and behold, there
>> were a couple of spots showing.  Examining the sensor with a magnifier,
>> I would guess they are lint particles.  What has worked for others in
>> removing these?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
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Thanks, Chuck.  I'm collecting all the inputs I can get.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 6/8/2016 7:13 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
> I have used pieces of Swiffer material but just the dry stuff, not the
> Wet Jet.
>
> But, after 7 years of cleaning the Canon 5D I learned some important
> lessons. Unless your sensor has a dust shaker like the OM-Ds, spot
> free shots at f/16 is a nearly impossible cleanliness standard.  You
> may recall that, while trying to clean the E-M1, I was observing the
> sensor (actually the SSW filter) at 3X magnification.  As I was
> cleaning I could see (in real time) very fine dust particles settling
> onto the SSWF.  For the OM-Ds that's not harmful since the SSWF shakes
> them right off.  But not so the Canon 5D.  You can clean until the
> cows come home but, if you take a blue sky shot at f/16 you're going
> to see those tiny pieces of dust.  So I long ago gave up testing (and
> shooting) the Canon beyond f/11.
>
> I have tried numerous brands and incarnations of swabs and liquid
> cleaners.  These things are expensive and hard to use properly. Much
> better and much cheaper is the SensoKlear (also apparently beloved by
> the Moose).  I considered it highly probable (before I had one) that
> the SensorKlear would more likely destroy my sensor before it cleaned
> it. But such it not the case at all.  In my books it works every bit
> as well as well-done wet cleaning and if both far easier and far
> cheaper.  Try it, you'll like.
>
> You'll find all sorts of related, expensive junk here
> <https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_11?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=sensorklear&sprefix=SensorKlear%2Caps%2C311>
>
>
> But this is the only thing you need
> <https://www.amazon.com/Lenspen-LENSK1-Sensorclear-Dslr-Cleaner/product-reviews/B000I30HOS/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&showViewpoints=0&pageNumber=1>
>
>
> or maybe you'd prefer the one with articulated tip
> <https://www.amazon.com/Lenspen-LENSK1A-Sensorklear-Articulated-Tip/dp/B001QUIEIS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid65429685&sr=8-1&keywords=sensorklear>
>
>
> I was surprised when I saw the reviews on Amazon.  I would have
> expected everyone would give it 5 stars.  But there are a few 2 stars
> and quite a number of one star reviews.  After reading these reviews I
> can only say that most of these folks 1) have never actually used the
> device or 2) don't know how to use the device. For some it doesn't
> work because they're afraid to use pressure to clean stubborn spots.
> The filter on your sensor is as tough as a lens filter.  Don't be
> afraid to scrub a bit if needed.
>
> Some folks complained that all it did was push the dirt into the
> corners.  Well, yeah, if you sweep the floor from the center outward
> and end at the corners you might push dirt into the corner.  Start at
> the corners and work toward the center.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/8/2016 7:28 PM, John Hudson wrote:
>> I have cleaned the sensor in each of my X Pro 1 and X-T1 bodies using
>> swabs and cleaning fluid seen on the www.VisibleDust.com web site.
>>
>> Despite having been thoroughly panned for gross stupidity by one or more
>> listees I have experienced no subsequent adverse consequences !
>>
>> I am not supportive of some prior advice about inserting Q-Tis like
>> sticks with bits of Swiffer Wet Jet material attached into the camera
>> body. Swiffer Wet Jets are designed for mopping the kitchen floor, not
>> camera sensors :-)
>>
>> jh
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/8/2016 6:04 PM, Jim Nichols wrote:
>>> Has anyone cleaned dust particles from a Fuji sensor?
>>>
>>> I accidentally shot blue sky at f/16 today, and, lo and behold, there
>>> were a couple of spots showing.  Examining the sensor with a magnifier,
>>> I would guess they are lint particles.  What has worked for others in
>>> removing these?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>

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I think I concur that the lens is probably a horrible example of even
low cost kit lenses.  But there is another anomaly that no one has
noticed.  Observe the dimensions of the images along with the JPEG size
measurements.

In this example I'm going to treat a MB as 1024x1024 = 1048576 bytes

The Canon is shown as 5184x3456 pixels and 5.59MB or
17,915,904 pixels and 5,861,540 bytes or 3.06 pixels/byte.

The EM-5 image is shown as 4608x3456 pixels and 7.70MB or
15,925,248 pixels and 8,074,034 bytes or 1.97 pixels/byte.

Clearly the JPEG compression settings on these images are not at all
comparable and it's all to the advantage of the E-M5.

As I said, I suspect this lens is a piece of junk but you won't prove
that in a court case using these images.

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/8/2016 1:54 AM, Moose wrote:
> On 6/7/2016 8:35 PM, bj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>>   . . .
>>
>> Here, and in the
>> following image are two screen scrapes made using Irfanview of the
>> comparison screen.
>>
>> http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId 238
>>
>>
>> The canyon image is on the left. To my eyes the OM image is MUCH
>> sharper.
>>
>> The canyon lens is non-IS, but that shouldn't have made any
>> difference because I held each camera firmly on the same large concrete
>> Survey pillar set on a ridge-top.
>
> The Canon is terrible! That it's a non IS lens isn't only about IS, it's
> about the cost of it to Canon to sell as part of a rock bottom price
> kit. The non IS version is an old, cheap design, probably more closely
> related to the bottom of a soda bottle than to their premium lenses.
>
> Nevertheless, that image is so bad that I would look into it further;
> something wrong with settings of the camera, or the camera itself. Might
> it be set on some sort of scene mode? Or maybe a really bad example of
> the lens?
>
> I would reset everything, set the camera to Manual and take a couple of
> shots. If it is still like that, it should go back.
>
> Smushy Moose
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For optimum palate pleasure, perhaps, but not necessary for cramps.  My
Clausen refrigerated dills work just fine.

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/7/2016 5:28 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
> But you need proper Polish pickles, not the synthetic stuff from glass jars.
>
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>> On 07 Jun 2016, at 19:22, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
>> wrote:
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>> That's exactly where my dill pickle juice comes from.  If you eat enough 
>> pickle to get a tablespoon of liquid I'm sure that works as well.
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 12:46 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>>>     Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in the fridge.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can I just eat a dill pickle?
>>>>
>>>> I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy them.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
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I don't know anything about twitchy leg syndrome but soap has proven
effective in so many different cases I'd certainly give it a try.
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3004545/>

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/7/2016 6:41 PM, Mike Lazzari wrote:
> OK, we've solved cramps and neck aches. How about twitchy leg syndrome?
> keeps my wife up at night.
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"red pepper" is a pretty broad term.  What sort of red pepper?

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/7/2016 7:26 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
> Dill Pickles
>
> 8 pounds 4" to 6" cucumbers cut in quarters lengthwise
> 1/2 cup sugar
> 1/2 cup canning salt
> 1 quart white vinegar
> 1 quart water
> 3 Tablespoons pickling spices (Mixed from the Spice section)
> 1 head Dill per jar
> I garlic per jar
> 1 red pepper per jar
>
> Combine sugar, salt, vinegar and water in large pot.  Tie spices in
> cheesecloth bag and add to vinegar mixture.  Simmer 15 minutes.  Pack
> cucumbers in hot jars, leaving 1/4" head space.  Put dill, garlic and
> pepper in each jar.  Bring vinegar mixture to boil and pour over cucumbers,
> leaving 1/4" head space.  Adjust caps.  Process pints and quarts 15 minutes
> in boiling bath.
> Yield about 7 pints.
>
> Put 1/8 teaspoon of calcium chloride in each jar for very crisp pickles.
>
> My dill, peppers and garlic are already growing.  The cucumbers are
> blooming.
>
> It's really very easy.
>
> Tina
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>>      I figured that you would have some.  What do you use for a base
>> recipe for the pickling liquid and spices for dill?
>>
>>>
>>> I have a whole basement full of pickles that I have made - dill, sweet,
>>> bread and butter, chunks, spears, hamburger slices, relish, chow chow.
>>> This year I planted 9 hills of 6 cucumber plants each to make more
>>> pickles.  They are doing great if I can keep them watered!
>>>
>>> Come to SC and I'll give you some!
>>>
>>> Tina
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>      Don't have many opportunities for "fresh" pickles, meaning those
>> made
>>>> by the deli itself.  A good crisp pickle generally means not boiled, so
>> for
>>>> grocery stores here you're pretty much limited to Claussen.  I have made
>>>> refrigerator pickled onions, so maybe the process is similar?
>>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
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Whatever I have in the garden ;-)   Usually, a cayenne.  Cut a slit in the
side of a small one and stick it in.

My pepper butter is made from every pepper in the garden.  Whatever is
leftover at the end of the season.  It's different every year but always
good!

I use what I've got!

Tina

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 8:51 PM, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:

> "red pepper" is a pretty broad term.  What sort of red pepper?
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
>
> On 6/7/2016 7:26 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
>
>> Dill Pickles
>>
>> 8 pounds 4" to 6" cucumbers cut in quarters lengthwise
>> 1/2 cup sugar
>> 1/2 cup canning salt
>> 1 quart white vinegar
>> 1 quart water
>> 3 Tablespoons pickling spices (Mixed from the Spice section)
>> 1 head Dill per jar
>> I garlic per jar
>> 1 red pepper per jar
>>
>> Combine sugar, salt, vinegar and water in large pot.  Tie spices in
>> cheesecloth bag and add to vinegar mixture.  Simmer 15 minutes.  Pack
>> cucumbers in hot jars, leaving 1/4" head space.  Put dill, garlic and
>> pepper in each jar.  Bring vinegar mixture to boil and pour over
>> cucumbers,
>> leaving 1/4" head space.  Adjust caps.  Process pints and quarts 15
>> minutes
>> in boiling bath.
>> Yield about 7 pints.
>>
>> Put 1/8 teaspoon of calcium chloride in each jar for very crisp pickles.
>>
>> My dill, peppers and garlic are already growing.  The cucumbers are
>> blooming.
>>
>> It's really very easy.
>>
>> Tina
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>      I figured that you would have some.  What do you use for a base
>>> recipe for the pickling liquid and spices for dill?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have a whole basement full of pickles that I have made - dill, sweet,
>>>> bread and butter, chunks, spears, hamburger slices, relish, chow chow.
>>>> This year I planted 9 hills of 6 cucumber plants each to make more
>>>> pickles.  They are doing great if I can keep them watered!
>>>>
>>>> Come to SC and I'll give you some!
>>>>
>>>> Tina
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      Don't have many opportunities for "fresh" pickles, meaning those
>>>>>
>>>> made
>>>
>>>> by the deli itself.  A good crisp pickle generally means not boiled, so
>>>>>
>>>> for
>>>
>>>> grocery stores here you're pretty much limited to Claussen.  I have made
>>>>> refrigerator pickled onions, so maybe the process is similar?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>>>      - Hunter S. Thompson
>>> --
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Given that soap has proven effective on many different maladies I'd try
it.  Read this <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3004545/>
and note his method for making "crushed bar soap skin patches".  I think
you could create some sort of bandana from a strip of soft cotton cloth,
infuse it some way with soap (maybe using a grater) and tie that around
your neck when you're driving.

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/7/2016 1:27 PM, Jim Nichols wrote:
> Chuck,
>
> With all of this discussion of cramps, I would like to ask if anyone has
> a cure for tension pain just below the back of the neck, when driving
> long distances?  This has developed into a real problem for me.
>
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
>
> On 6/7/2016 12:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>> That's exactly where my dill pickle juice comes from. If you eat
>> enough pickle to get a tablespoon of liquid I'm sure that works as well.
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 12:46 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>>>      Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in the
>>> fridge.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can I just eat a dill pickle?
>>>>
>>>> I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy them.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>>>      - Hunter S. Thompson
>>>
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That is the transmission problem I've been having.  I've reloaded them and
the lines are gone.  If you still see them, try reloading or deleting your
cache.  I haven't had that problem with any I've uploaded today.  I hope
it's resolved itself!!

Thanks!

Tina

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:52 PM, <bj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Tina,
>
> Another wonderful series.
>
> I envy the resolution of your
> cameras.
>
> I notice however that some ( about 3 - 4 ) of your Zoroastran
> images seem to have extraneous horizontal lines on the RHS; I suggest
> you check these out
>
> Cheers, Brian
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I forgot to mention that I'll be trying the soap cure myself tonight.  I
bought the package of 3 bars of flat "bed soap" from People's Pharmacy
and they arrived today.  The most certainly do smell of lavender... even
through the plastic packaging.

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/8/2016 8:57 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
> Given that soap has proven effective on many different maladies I'd try
> it.  Read this <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3004545/>
> and note his method for making "crushed bar soap skin patches".  I think
> you could create some sort of bandana from a strip of soft cotton cloth,
> infuse it some way with soap (maybe using a grater) and tie that around
> your neck when you're driving.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
> On 6/7/2016 1:27 PM, Jim Nichols wrote:
>> Chuck,
>>
>> With all of this discussion of cramps, I would like to ask if anyone has
>> a cure for tension pain just below the back of the neck, when driving
>> long distances?  This has developed into a real problem for me.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 12:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>>> That's exactly where my dill pickle juice comes from. If you eat
>>> enough pickle to get a tablespoon of liquid I'm sure that works as well.
>>>
>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/7/2016 12:46 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>>>>      Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in the
>>>> fridge.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can I just eat a dill pickle?
>>>>>
>>>>> I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>>>>      - Hunter S. Thompson
>>>>
>>
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Thanks.  This is going in the recipe file.

Chuck Norcutt


On 6/8/2016 8:56 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
> Whatever I have in the garden ;-)   Usually, a cayenne.  Cut a slit in the
> side of a small one and stick it in.
>
> My pepper butter is made from every pepper in the garden.  Whatever is
> leftover at the end of the season.  It's different every year but always
> good!
>
> I use what I've got!
>
> Tina
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 8:51 PM, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> wrote:
>
>> "red pepper" is a pretty broad term.  What sort of red pepper?
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 7:26 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
>>
>>> Dill Pickles
>>>
>>> 8 pounds 4" to 6" cucumbers cut in quarters lengthwise
>>> 1/2 cup sugar
>>> 1/2 cup canning salt
>>> 1 quart white vinegar
>>> 1 quart water
>>> 3 Tablespoons pickling spices (Mixed from the Spice section)
>>> 1 head Dill per jar
>>> I garlic per jar
>>> 1 red pepper per jar
>>>
>>> Combine sugar, salt, vinegar and water in large pot.  Tie spices in
>>> cheesecloth bag and add to vinegar mixture.  Simmer 15 minutes.  Pack
>>> cucumbers in hot jars, leaving 1/4" head space.  Put dill, garlic and
>>> pepper in each jar.  Bring vinegar mixture to boil and pour over
>>> cucumbers,
>>> leaving 1/4" head space.  Adjust caps.  Process pints and quarts 15
>>> minutes
>>> in boiling bath.
>>> Yield about 7 pints.
>>>
>>> Put 1/8 teaspoon of calcium chloride in each jar for very crisp pickles.
>>>
>>> My dill, peppers and garlic are already growing.  The cucumbers are
>>> blooming.
>>>
>>> It's really very easy.
>>>
>>> Tina
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>      I figured that you would have some.  What do you use for a base
>>>> recipe for the pickling liquid and spices for dill?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have a whole basement full of pickles that I have made - dill, sweet,
>>>>> bread and butter, chunks, spears, hamburger slices, relish, chow chow.
>>>>> This year I planted 9 hills of 6 cucumber plants each to make more
>>>>> pickles.  They are doing great if I can keep them watered!
>>>>>
>>>>> Come to SC and I'll give you some!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tina
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>      Don't have many opportunities for "fresh" pickles, meaning those
>>>>>>
>>>>> made
>>>>
>>>>> by the deli itself.  A good crisp pickle generally means not boiled, so
>>>>>>
>>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>> grocery stores here you're pretty much limited to Claussen.  I have made
>>>>>> refrigerator pickled onions, so maybe the process is similar?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>>>>      - Hunter S. Thompson
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Thanks, Chuck.  Right now, I am following ChrisB's recommendation for
strengthening the large neck muscle that runs down the back.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 6/8/2016 7:57 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
> Given that soap has proven effective on many different maladies I'd
> try it.  Read this
> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3004545/> and note his
> method for making "crushed bar soap skin patches".  I think you could
> create some sort of bandana from a strip of soft cotton cloth, infuse
> it some way with soap (maybe using a grater) and tie that around your
> neck when you're driving.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
> On 6/7/2016 1:27 PM, Jim Nichols wrote:
>> Chuck,
>>
>> With all of this discussion of cramps, I would like to ask if anyone has
>> a cure for tension pain just below the back of the neck, when driving
>> long distances?  This has developed into a real problem for me.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 12:22 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>>> That's exactly where my dill pickle juice comes from. If you eat
>>> enough pickle to get a tablespoon of liquid I'm sure that works as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/7/2016 12:46 PM, Chris Trask wrote:
>>>>      Hmmm...  Good reason for keeping a jar of Claussen spears in the
>>>> fridge.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can I just eat a dill pickle?
>>>>>
>>>>> I figure that if I'm going to have cramps, I might as well enjoy
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>>>>      - Hunter S. Thompson
>>>>
>>

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Thanks, Chuck and Moose

Now that Jim has found a speck I had better be prepared for it on one of my 2 
Fuji sensors.

Chris

> On 9 Jun 16, at 01:13, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> But this is the only thing you need
> <https://www.amazon.com/Lenspen-LENSK1-Sensorclear-Dslr-Cleaner/product-reviews/B000I30HOS/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&showViewpoints=0&pageNumber=1
>  
> <https://www.amazon.com/Lenspen-LENSK1-Sensorclear-Dslr-Cleaner/product-reviews/B000I30HOS/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&showViewpoints=0&pageNumber=1>>
>
> or maybe you'd prefer the one with articulated tip
> <https://www.amazon.com/Lenspen-LENSK1A-Sensorklear-Articulated-Tip/dp/B001QUIEIS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid65429685&sr=8-1&keywords=sensorklear
>  
> <https://www.amazon.com/Lenspen-LENSK1A-Sensorklear-Articulated-Tip/dp/B001QUIEIS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid65429685&sr=8-1&keywords=sensorklear>>
>
> I was surprised when I saw the reviews on Amazon.  I would have expected 
> everyone would give it 5 stars.  But there are a few 2 stars and quite a 
> number of one star reviews.  After reading these reviews I can only say that 
> most of these folks 1) have never actually used the device or 2) don't know 
> how to use the device.  For some it doesn't work because they're afraid to 
> use pressure to clean stubborn spots.  The filter on your sensor is as tough 
> as a lens filter.  Don't be afraid to scrub a bit if needed.
>
> Some folks complained that all it did was push the dirt into the corners.  
> Well, yeah, if you sweep the floor from the center outward and end at the 
> corners you might push dirt into the corner.  Start at the corners and work 
> toward the center.

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