Le 27 avr. 2016 à 18:49, ChrisB <ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
> No, it’s the wind turbines that go into standby, for just that reason. The
> grid pays the operators to stop their turbines during time of low usage.
>
> Assuming that that EIA table is representative of real life, it looks like
> offshore is pretty pricey, but does the nuclear capital cost include the
> decommissioning?
Agreed
> And where do we put the waste?
In my backyard in Meuse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meuse/Haute_Marne_Underground_Research_Laboratory
>
> With regard to conventional generation, we are running out of the stuff to
> fuel it, Chuck.
Shoot film ;-)
Ph
>
> Yes, we need batteries.
>
> Chris
>
>> On 27 Apr 2016, at 12:52, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> But what have you gained? The grid is still dependent on conventional power
>> stations operating in inefficient standby mode to compensate for the wind
>> and solar systems that can not and never will produce power on demand.
>>
>> Offshore wind has a capital cost about 50% greater than nuclear and
>> operational and maintenance cost that is about double.
>> <http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/aeo/electricity_generation.cfm
>> <http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/aeo/electricity_generation.cfm>> And that
>> doesn't count the cost of the backup power stations which have to have equal
>> power capacity and still have to operate about 2/3 of the time.
>>
>> Wind and solar would make more sense if there were such things as giant
>> batteries but there are no such (affordable) things today nor on anyone's
>> technology horizon.
>> <http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/innovation/the-search-for-a-better-battery
>> <http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/innovation/the-search-for-a-better-battery>>
>> The lithium-ion battery was the last major breakthrough in battery
>> technology and, apart from minor engineering improvements, there has been
>> nothing new in 25 years.
>
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