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Re: [OM] Simple lens designs like Tessar on Digital cameras.

Subject: Re: [OM] Simple lens designs like Tessar on Digital cameras.
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 08:32:01 -0500
The very distinct and distracting bubbles are not my idea of desirable bokeh.

Chuck Norcutt


On 12/3/2014 5:35 AM, Hughes wrote:


Moose asked whether I had made an error in describing the tessar lens I had 
owned as a young teenager, as being F2.9.

So Mike, interesting, you should mention the Meyor-Optic trioplan,because the 
50mm,F2.9 I owned, may have been a Meyer optic trioplan lens, rather than the  
F2.8 Zeiss Jena Tessar lens also offered for the camera I owned.

I am still not sure,looking at the Altix 5 camera pictured on the web, it has a 
silver Zeiss Tessar, which looks exactly like the lens/camera combination I 
owned, but I remember F2.9 because it was an odd aperture.


Looking around on web, it seems the trioplans are valued for Digi camera conversions, as 
they have very distinctive sharp completely round edge bokeh,("bubble Bokeh") 
because of  large number of blade diaphragms and location of diaphragm etc. Ebay prices 
are quite high $150-200.

Check this distinctive bokeh from the 100/F2.8 trioplan:

http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1314247.html
https://www.flickr.com/groups/1015178@N21/pool/page2


I still have a Meyer-Optic 90mm F3.5 lens somewhere, I had bought at the same 
time for that old Altix 5 camera.

It is tiny lens which I adapted to OM mount, years later, although I never used 
it much on OM.
I should look it out and see what the bokeh is like. It is a 4 element design 
though and has a large number of aperture blades.
This website shows they go for about $250 on ebay. Not sure what mine would go 
for having been modified to an OM Mount.

http://allphotolenses.com/lenses/item/c_1951.html


Talk about simple minimalist lens design, the Trioplan has it over the Tessar, 
but I am sure the Tessar is a lot sharper.


Tim



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  From: Mike Gordon via olympus <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 4:25 PM
Subject: [OM] Simple lens designs like Tessar on Digital cameras.


Over the years there have been lots of small cameras still using the
venerable
Tessar design.

Agreed. There are only so many ways to efficiently slay the aberration
jaberwockies. Here is a history of the Tessar patented by Zeiss:

www.zeiss.com/content/dam/.../cln39_en_web_special_tessar.pdf


I always thought given its design it was just developed by modifying
the Cooke triplet (1890's?) in which one of the exterior positive
elements has been replaced by a cemented group to create the Tessar,
but its origin was different. Again efficient design leads to similar
solutions. The Heliar does seem to have been an offshoot of the triplet.

Using modern glass variations the degrees of freedom available has
increased dramatically and superb simple lenses are possible. I think
Andrew has an expensive elegant Cooke triplet of recent design. Where
is our venerable list curmudgeon anyway?--he should be back by now.

One Cooke triplet I still like is the Meyer-Optik Görlitz Trioplan 100
mm f/ 2.8 Lens in M42 mount. I did try and snipe a few but the price
has gone way way up the past few years. It just has a wonderful
rendering and very nice bokeh. (IIRC the version with red V on it has
the best coatings)

3  or 4 can be plenty, Mike

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