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Re: [OM] IMG: What is reality, man?

Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: What is reality, man?
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:20:49 -0500
I find the most pleasing image to be this one
<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P2170091-composite2ClonShpFinalCrop.jpg.html>
But that may have nothing to do with reality or the work required to 
product it.

Chuck Norcutt


On 2/22/2014 1:01 AM, DZDub wrote:
> It's an interesting series.  Because the live person looks fine in the
> first one, I don't care so much how the video looks. Of course, I wasn't
> there.  I thought the BW version was quite nice.  What PWP does well, it
> does quite well.
>
> Joel W.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:53 AM, Peter Klein <pklein@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> This is long, but you may find it interesting.  I just spent several
>> hours over a couple of days trying to get a picture "right." There were
>> several different degrees of "right" and "not right," with no clear-cut
>> answer.  You might come to a different conclusion than I did.  Come into
>> the kitchen with me and let's see what was cooking. And see the
>> following four pictures after my last example for the conclusion of the
>> series.
>>
>> On Monday evening I shot a wild and crazy contemporary music festival.
>> I'm friends with several of the musicians.  The festival included
>> several pieces where the musicians performed with computer-generated
>> imagery projected on a big screen, as well as computer-generated sound.
>> There was changing stage lighting, and spotlights on soloists that were
>> drastically brighter than the ensemble lighting. Fun stuff. :-)  I was
>> sitting in an ordinary seat in row 3, and did not have stage access.  As
>> someone who plays music myself, and has shot plays and concerts for 44
>> years, I pride myself on knowing how to do things without being heard,
>> disrupting or distracting.  So no changing lenses during the
>> performance, no chimping, and no excess fiddling with the camera.  I set
>> most parameters before each piece, and adjusted exposure by counting
>> detents on my Olympus E-M5's exposure compensation dial.  I ended up
>> using my Pansonic/Leica 25mm f/1.4 for the whole concert.
>>
>> One shot posed a particular challenge.  In the piece "Up Close" by
>> Michael van der Aa, a cello soloist doesn't just play with a string
>> chamber orchestra and electronic sound.  She also interacts with a
>> projected video that runs during the piece.  This created a perfect
>> storm of mixed color temperatures.  Here's the first white balance, done
>> for the tungsten stage lights. The live woman is fine, the video is
>> blue, blue blue.
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P2170091+_2_.jpg.html>
>>
>> Balance it for the video, and the live performer becomes the Lady in
>> Excess Red.
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P2170091+_1_+.jpg.html>
>>
>> So what to  do?  I tried black and white. Which was OK, but not quite
>> what I wanted. Not enough difference between live and Memorex.
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P2170091bw+.jpg.html>
>>
>> I spent a couple of hours making masks (not my best skill, and I use
>> Picture Window Pro, not Photoshop, so I don't have a magic lasso).
>> Eventually I did a combination of a polygon for the screen, merged with
>> a mask keyed to most shades of blue, plus another to reddish hues,
>> cloned one into the other, blended the two white balances through this
>> mask, then and manually adjusted the final result with the clone tool.
>> It ended up mostly, reasonably technically correct, but the blue spill
>> in the foreground is impossible, and it's not what I perceived when I
>> saw it.  During the performance, I didn't see the drastic color
>> difference that the camera "saw." But there was a difference, and this
>> rendering almost eliminates it.
>> <
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P2170091-composite2ClonShpFinalCrop.jpg.html
>>>
>>
>> At which point I decided that realism was futile.  OK, let's get
>> interpretive.  I tried a partially desaturated version of the original
>> tungsten balance.
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/album170/P2170091Desat.jpg.html>
>>
>> But the picture I eventually chose to post was the one below. I used the
>> tungsten white balance, so the live performer appeared normal, and a bit
>> of selective color correction towards grey to reduce but not eliminate
>> the blueness in the video performer only. This added some mixed-toned
>> B&W surrealness to the video image.  It was not exactly what I saw, but
>> it evoked the same sensation as what I saw. Besides, my wife preferred
>> this one.  :-)
>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/24844563@N04/12664153803/>
>>
>> Again, see the following four pics for the conclusion of the series.
>> Thanks for bearing with me.
>>
>> --Peter
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