We measure in whiskey units over here.
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On Nov 6, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Charles Geilfuss wrote:
> Philippe,
> BTU= British Thermal Units. In its original form it was the energy
> equivalent of 12 Stones moved a distance of 7 Rods at 3 miles per hour.
> Later it was the energy used to heat 1 pound of water, 1 degree F. Now, in
> SI Units, it is about 1055 joules. See how much easier that is to
> understand.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:11 PM, philippe.amard <philippe.amard@xxxxxx>wrote:
>
>>
>> Le 6 nov. 13 à 20:51, Bill Pearce a écrit :
>>
>>> We get either 10 or 15 percent alcohol.
>>
>> Can you drive when your alcohol intake is that high?
>> you'd be charged over here!
>>
>>> There is
>>> an automatic 30% loss with pure alcohol, less of course in blends.
>>
>> Pure malt for me please - no blends but in Bordeaux wines - Cabernet
>> Franc, Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot and Petit Verdot.
>>
>>
>>> Alcohol
>>> just doesn't have the BTU's
>>
>>
>> BTU what's that if I may ask, GMO?
>>
>>
>> Amities
>> Philippe a stickler for whatever it is ;-)
>>
>>
>>> that gasoline does.
>>> What we get without is
>>> dependent on where purchased. About a year ago, I drove to Oklahoma,
>>> and
>>> noted in barely rural areas outside Tulsa, there were many stations,
>>> mostly
>>> independent convenience stores, with a 4x8 sheet of plywood with the
>>> notice
>>> "no alcohol" spray painted on it.
>>>
>>> In any event, the whole business of US energy independence is no
>>> longer
>>> valid. Although we import oil, we export more from the Wyoming and
>>> North
>>> Dakota fields. Oil, like anything else, follows the money. Our oil
>>> from
>>> fracking in Wyoming and ND goes by rail to the coasts, and by ship
>>> to Japan,
>>> China and Europe, 'cause they pay more than domestic refineries.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Charles Geilfuss
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:34 PM
>>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [OM] Redneck
>>>
>>> That's interesting , Bill. Based on the size of my tank, 15 US
>>> gal., the
>>> MPG penalty is only 1 mpg. I have no idea why yours is three times
>>> more.
>>> The energy content should be the same unless they are slipping you
>>> more
>>> ethanol than they claim. What type of vehicle is it? In my area all
>>> grades
>>> have 10% etoh, but a few stations sell 0% etoh premium fuel (which I
>>> use in
>>> my lawn equipment). No other grade is available without etoh.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce@xxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In my car, E10 gives me about a three MPG penalty, about 45 miles per
>>>> tank.
>>>> There is no price difference here, and there are some places that
>>>> sell
>>>> only
>>>> gas without ethanol. It is equally hard to find premium without it,
>>>> but in
>>>> that case I think it gives the octane boost.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Charles Geilfuss
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:17 PM
>>>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>>>> Subject: Re: [OM] Redneck
>>>>
>>>> The MPG penalty is pretty minimal, Bill, at least with E10. I've
>>>> tried
>>>> it
>>>> a couple of times with my Honda, E10, 87 octane vs E0, 93 octane,
>>>> and the
>>>> difference per tankful is about 10-15 miles per tank. As for
>>>> alleged price
>>>> advantage of E10, who knows? E0, 87 octane is not available
>>>> anywhere to
>>>> compare.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce@xxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Therefore, everybody on the east coast has a negative view of
>>>>> ethanol
>>>>> just because they've been lied to.
>>>>> No, it's because they don't like the MPG penalty, with no offset in
>>>> price.
>>>>> And anyway, why do it? America is now a net petroleum exporting
>>>>> country.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Ken Norton
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:36 AM
>>>>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [OM] Redneck
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now let's get started on the myth of ETHANOL, and who is raking it
>>>> in...
>>>>>> Old Rick - currently replacing fuel lines destroyed by that stuff!
>>>>>
>>>>> The Iowa Corn Cartel.
>>>>>
>>>>> /Rant On
>>>>>
>>>>> It's probably the other crud they put in the fuel these days. All
>>>>> fuels have solvents added now. If you drive very little, Ethanol can
>>>>> mess up some stuff, but I almost always use it and have never ever
>>>>> had
>>>>> a fuel line or fuel filter problem. I take my vehicles up to the
>>>>> 150,000-200,000 mile category too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless, let's not get into the lie about ethanol being energy
>>>>> negative. It's entirely not true and is a lie that originated from
>>>>> the
>>>>> oil industry itself during the methanol/ethanol wars. It's been
>>>>> perpuated by the pointy-headed intellectuals at the ivy league
>>>>> colleges who have never even seen a combine in their lives and think
>>>>> that everybody west of the Hudson River are hayseed rednecks. If
>>>>> these
>>>>> pointy-headed intellectuals would actually USE their brains
>>>>> instead of
>>>>> sticking to a party-line mantra, they'd recognize the lie. But they
>>>>> won't, and even if they did, they wouldn't admit it because peer
>>>>> review is by other idiots like them. Meanwhile, the talking heads on
>>>>> television won't even do basic research to find out that it's a lie.
>>>>> Therefore, everybody on the east coast has a negative view of
>>>>> ethanol
>>>>> just because they've been lied to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Worst of all, we keep electing presidents that have law degrees from
>>>>> Yale/Harvard, being taught by these idiot pointy-headed
>>>>> intellectuals.
>>>>>
>>>>> /Rant Off
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ken Norton
>>>>> ken@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> http://www.zone-10.com
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>> One sees clearly only with the heart. What is essential is invisible
>> to the eye. Antoine de Saint Exupéry in Le Petit Prince.
>> NO ARCHIVE
>>
>>
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