Thanks Piers. I don't think I could repeat the rules now but at least I
have some basic understanding now of what's going on. It would be very
interesting to know how it got that convoluted but I don't think I'll
pursue that. :-)
Chuck Norcutt
On 9/10/2013 8:45 AM, Piers Hemy wrote:
> How interesting! I had assumed it might be a relic of the dual number (as
> opposed to singular or plural) but it is not. Nor is it specific to minutes
> - try months and you will get the same result.
>
> It's akin to a spelling rule - see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_numerals for the following explanation:
>
> Nouns are [...] mutated following many numbers. [... The masculine and
> feminine forms of the numeral two] both trigger the soft mutation (ll and rh
> included).
>
> And http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/fun/welsh/Lesson04.html illustrates that the soft
> mutation turns initial "m" into .... wait for it .... oh, you guessed!
>
> Piers
>
> PS Since when did a translator tell you all about a language? If they did,
> they would put themselves out of business.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Norcutt [mailto:chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 10 September 2013 01:01
> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Cardiff and Carmarthen
>
> Thanks for the tour. My wife and I were in that area in the 80s in pursuit
> of some genealogical data from her mother's Welsh side. We weren't very
> successful in that endeavor but did see a lot of very fine scenery... but
> not including most of what you showed us.
>
> But you've posed a language mystery. Perhaps someone who speaks Welsh can
> answer. If you read the sign here
> <http://www.frozenlight.eu/cardiff082013/content/20130831-_DSF3952_large.htm
> l>
> and look at the estimated time for Canon y dref/Town centre by bike (at
> upper left) you'll see the abbreviation for 2 minutes as "2 fun". But
> estimates of more than 2 minutes all use the abbreviation "mun" rather than
> "fun". If I ask Google to translate 2 minutes I get 2 funud. If I ask any
> other number (including 1 and 3) I get munud rather than funud.
>
> So, what's unique about 2 minutes that it gets its own word for minute?
> Something tells me the translator isn't telling me all about the language.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
> On 9/8/2013 3:32 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>> Finally finished processing my pictures from the week in Wales, and the
> resulting gallery is here:
>>
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu/cardiff082013/
>>
>> Mostly from Cardiff Bay since that is where we were most of the time,
> although there are also a couple from Cardiff centre and from the town of
> Carmarthen, 70 miles to the west. Cardiff Bay is the city's waterfront. Like
> in many other cities, it had become a seedy area during the 1970 and 80s but
> has been completely transformed in recent years.
>>
>> As always, comments and critique are welcome and appreciated.
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>>
>> YNWA
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