Hi Chuck,
Thanks for the update. I also find selections to be difficult and time
consuming. For my old hands and eyes, I think the approach that you
outlined will work best.
Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
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From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Mockingbird via Layers
> I've just verified with a simple experiment that what I've always
> thought about PhotoShop painting is that, although it displays a circle
> showing the brush diameter, what you see as maximum diameter is only
> true for a brush that is 100% hard. If there's any softness at all in
> the definition of the brush there will be paint applied beyond the brush
> diameter but in decreasing density to perhaps a limit of about 25%
> larger than the specified diameter for a very soft brush.
>
> I thought the clone tool behaved the same way (I'm sure it used to) but
> just proved that, even for a soft brush, the clone tool now stays within
> the defined diameter. But very strangely, when I switched from
> paintbrush to clone tool, although the specified diameter (182 pixels)
> didn't change the clone tool brush diameter grew larger than the paint
> brush such that it was actually extending more than the stated pixel
> count. But once I readjusted the size to what I wanted visually it
> stayed within that limit whether the brush was hard or soft. I have no
> idea why the two are allowed to function differently or why you can't
> see the actual extent of any brush.
>
> But to do all this and verify what was happening I had to create a white
> test image with a black rectangle in it along with a grid and size the
> brushes to the grid so I could see precisely what was happening.
>
> I think Moose's comment about me having to be careful with what I was
> painting was referring to the paintbrush's unwanted excursions outside
> the visible diameter of the brush unless it's 100% hard. Further I
> think his method is make a selection of the background (what you want
> blurred) and then paint in the blur without worrying where the brush
> goes since only the selected area will be affected. Probably much
> better but I try to avoid selections if I can help it since I'm just
> plain not very good at doing that.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
> On 4/23/2013 7:36 PM, Jim Nichols wrote:
>> Chuck,
>>
>> I fumbled through this work, because the placement of icons in Elements
>> seems to be different from full PS. But, when I got to the brushes, what
>> I
>> saw was circles similar to the clone tool. I picked a size, and went
>> from
>> there.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Mockingbird via Layers
>>
>>
>>> A problem I've had with PhotoShop (and not completely understood) ever
>>> since I started using it about 2004. Brushes seem to extend (with
>>> increasing opacity) well beyond what you think they do. I think the
>>> only way to control that is to make a hard brush but am not sure. In
>>> Picture Window Pro (which I haven't used in years) when you are using
>>> the clone tool (for example) the area that the brush will affect is
>>> outlined with a circle. There is never any doubt about what part of the
>>> image is to be changed. I don't think that's possible on PhotoShop. If
>>> it is I'd sure like to know about it.
>>>
>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/23/2013 6:52 PM, usher99@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>>> Yep, less nervous bokeh. I seem to see some artefacts along the edge
>>>> of the bird, however.
>>>> Suspect the Moose bokeh blur betterment protocol may not have been
>>>> invoked. Not sure I can find his post from a few years back but if one
>>>> cuts out the subject in the bokeh layer prior to blur, the edges aren't
>>>> perturbed. Not sure why, but perhaps PS tries to feather the edges as
>>>> a default.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I do pay attention sometimes, Mike
>>>>
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