I should have added the old saying that the best cameras is the one you
have with you. The Canon 5D is so big and heavy (especially with the
2.8 lenses) that I rarely have it with me. Even if I do the Tokina
80-200/2.8 has a 95% chance that it's still in the car.
Chuck Norcutt
On 11/25/2012 1:29 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
> Yes, I expected you were just trying it out. My comment is only that
> the high ISO and IS performance are so good that the flash may rarely be
> necessary. I just wish there was a lens for the camera equivalent to my
> Tamron 24-135/3.5-5.6 I use almost all the time on my Canon 5D. The
> 12-50 comes up a bit short on reach and, for a 16MP 4/3 sensor is
> already into diffraction territory on the green and blue channels wide
> open at f/6.3. Still takes good photos though and that's what counts.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
> On 11/25/2012 1:07 PM, Martin Walters wrote:
>> Chuck:
>> I was simply trying out the flash. Nothing more. I took a few others
>> with the flash and, as to be expected, it doesn't overpower the scene.
>> I'll be intrigued to see what the coverage is like at 12mm,however.
>>
>> I'd say the little flash would be fine in a "party type atmosphere. It
>> really doesn't make the camera seem any bigger.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On 25/11/2012 12:49 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>>> They all look good. I'm wondering if the flash shot as ISO 1000 might
>>> have turned out better with no flash. The light fall-off is clearly
>>> visible (to be expected) but perhaps you could have gained the necessary
>>> brightness increase with ISO alone.
>>>
>>> Dr. Flash (who still thinks no flash is better if you can do it)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/25/2012 12:15 PM, Martin Walters wrote:
>>>> A few shots taken inside (all but one at night) with the 12-50:
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14675507@N08/sets/72157632098488268/
>>>>
>>>> The important camera settings are shown for each photo. All are
>>>> out-of-camera JPEGs with no processing. JPEG is Oly "Fine" with no noise
>>>> reduction and sharpening (if I've set things correctly), and auto WB. I
>>>> have not downsized any of them, so apologies for the large file sizes.
>>>>
>>>> I cannot judge how good the high ISO is in absolute terms. However, I
>>>> would certainly not have got these with Portra 400 - hand held, sans
>>>> flash. To my uneducated eye, they seem pretty good.
>>>>
>>>> I'm also impressed with the IS as these were taken with no particular
>>>> care. Some of them are really slow.
>>>>
>>>> The little flash seems to do a good job for its size.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 25/11/2012 7:36 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>>>>> Looks pretty good to me. Better than my 5D at ISO 3200 and incandescent
>>>>> light.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/24/2012 10:28 PM, Peter Klein wrote:
>>>>>> Nathan (and I'm sure others) were interested in some high-ISO shots.
>>>>>> These are all RAW, developed in Capture One v. 6.4.3, except for one out
>>>>>> of camera JPG for comparison. Shot with the Panny 20/1.7.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's an ISO 3200 shot: my living room bookcases under tungsten light.
>>>>>> The whole frame, reduced, so you have the general scene. 1/60, f/1.7
>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/OM-Dtest/PB180022+2-Scene.jpg.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the next three images, what displays initially looks a lot like
>>>>>> what an 8x10 print might look like. Click on the double rectangle above
>>>>>> the image to see it at 100% pixels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a long skinny center crop with some shadowed areas. Developed in
>>>>>> Capture One 6.4 with no sharpening. The color NR at the default, and
>>>>>> all other NR at zero (no luminance NR at all).
>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/OM-Dtest/PB180022+3-OnlyColorNR.jpg.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The same crop with the default Capture One noise reduction set.
>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/OM-Dtest/PB180022+4-C1-DefaultNR.jpg.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And here is approximately the same crop from the out-of-camera JPG with
>>>>>> the Noise Reduction at "Low." "Standard" NR is too much. Even "Low"
>>>>>> makes things a little more plastic/waxy looking than the Capture One
>>>>>> defaults.
>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/OM-Dtest/PB180022-OOC-NRLow.JPG.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now here's a real torture test: the digital piano in my den, lit with
>>>>>> only one 60 watt bulb and some blue glow from my computer screen. The
>>>>>> scene looks brighter in the pictures than it does in real life. There
>>>>>> are some shadows of varying darkness. The black plastic of the piano
>>>>>> case in deep shadow is about pixel level 3 on the 0-255 scale.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The general scene:
>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/OM-Dtest/PB180025scene.jpg.html>
>>>>>> ISO 800 crop with Capture One default noise reduction.
>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/OM-Dtest/PB180025-iso800.jpg.html>
>>>>>> ISO 1600 crop with Capture One default noise reduction. (sorry about the
>>>>>> motion blur, even Oly IS isn't perfect).
>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/OM-Dtest/PB180026-iso1600.jpg.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ISO 3200 crop with Capture One default noise reduction.
>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/OM-Dtest/PB180027-iso3200.jpg.html>
>>>>>> ISO 3200 crop with all Capture One noise reduction parameters reduced by
>>>>>> about one-half, (Color NR stays at the default).
>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/OM-Dtest/PB180027iso3200-halfNR.jpg.html>
>>>>>> ISO 3200 crop with all Capture One noise reduction parameters set to
>>>>>> zero (Color NR stays at the default).
>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/OM-Dtest/PB180027iso3200-onlyColorNR.jpg.html>
>>>>>> ISO 3200, Out of Camera JPG with Low NR.
>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/OM-Dtest/PB180027iso3200-OOC-LowNR.JPG.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this is useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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