I agree that one is pretty bad. I haven't seen anything like that yet, but
give me time! Processing would make a huge difference, too. I just ran
mine through LR with auto everything. I'm sure when I take time to work on
them, I can tame those highlights and shadows. Knowing where to point the
camera for the exposure seems to make a bigger difference with this one,
too! I may get out my old Minolta Spotmeter and play with it for awhile!
Tina
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Dawid Loubser <dawid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> And more power to you, Tina - everybody should use the tools and process
> that suits them best. Just watch the contrast range of the scenes you
> photograph.
>
> I was totally dumbfounded by the poor dynamic range exhibited in some
> M-M samples, here is one:
>
> http://shoottokyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/L-22.jpg
>
> I swear this is much worse than my Four Thirds camera even, and either
> this shows that it's really a mistake to remove the CFA from a CCD
> sensor, or there is something else very odd going on.
>
> Have you had any obvious problems to the degree exhibited by the shot
> above? Your dog shot showed it mildly, but the shot above is really just
> a shocker.
>
> Can't believe it's an image made with an $8k camera and a $7k 50mm f/2.0
> lens, looks like a $200 P&S.
>
> Of course, the hands holding the tools make all the difference!
>
> Dawid
>
>
> On Fri, 2012-08-31 at 17:21 -0400, Tina Manley wrote:
> > I used film and Leicas for over 30 years, developing everything in my
> Jobo
> > and even buying bulk film and loading it myself. I am so, so glad I
> don't
> > have to do that anymore for many reasons. Carrying all of that film
> > through airports is one reason. Not knowing if I had the photo until I
> got
> > home and developed the film is another. No more headaches in the darkroom
> > is another. I had state-of-the-art fans and ventilators in my darkroom
> but
> > still developed allergies and could not stay in there longer than fifteen
> > minutes before I got terrible headaches. Expense is another. Limits on
> > experimenting because it meant more film, more chemicals, more time.
> >
> > I admire film photos and am still scanning my huge backlog, but I also
> > admire digital photos when the photo is about the subject and not the
> > process. I am very happy with my new B&W camera and will never go back
> to
> > film. I'm too old and it's too late. I'm just glad Leica has made it
> > possible for me to use all of my wonderful film lenses on my digital
> > cameras.
> >
> > Tina
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Dawid Loubser <dawid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >wrote:
> >
> > > I am afraid I have to disagree - nothing film-like at all about them to
> > > my eyes, far too "linear". The Leica M Monochrom's archilles heel is
> > > much more limited dynamic range compared to e.g. a standard M9 (not to
> > > mention the even the worst monochrome film) and it shows in the
> > > highlights that clip very abruptly.
> > >
> > > Tina, this is nothing personal. You have acquired an absolutely
> > > wonderful tool, that is sure to make most of us envious. You just have
> > > to understand that some of us around here are very passionate about
> film
> > > (few more so than Ken and Myself, actually).
> > >
> > > I shoot B&W film almost exclusively, and have come to appreciate the
> > > great differences between ti and digital capture. The MM has
> > > extraordinary resolution, exceeding all but the most carefully-shot
> > > medium format film.
> > >
> > > But the tonal response and dynamic range is like just any other digital
> > > camera - linear, and very limited compared to film. That's not to say
> > > you can't mess with the processing to make it appear very close to film
> > > (I myself have attempted some successful Olympus E-5 conversions that
> > > closely imitate Adox CHS Art film, one of my favourites).
> > >
> > > It however takes but a single large B&W negative in the darkroom to
> > > realise again how very different the two mediums are.
> > >
> > > If I may use as an example your image of the dog:
> > > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/145748288
> > >
> > > It appears flat and linear to my eyes, and it's clear that both in
> > > shadow and highlight detail retention that the sensor did not have
> > > enough dynamic range to capture the image. Of course, we sit with the
> > > same problem with our (Micro) Four Thirds sensors.
> > >
> > > If I may offer a comparable "pet" shot (don't have many of those) taken
> > > in extremely harsh direct afternoon sunlight, captured on 35mm film:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/339/6/8/mousse_portrait_by_philosomatographer-d4i9b7j.jpg
> > >
> > > The white parts of the cat exhibit the gentlest transitions to
> > > near-white, but never clips, courtesy of Kodak TMY400-2's extreme
> > > dynamic range. This was shoot at ISO 400 at full midday sun at f/2.5,
> an
> > > over-exposure of a considerable number of stops.
> > >
> > > Digital is FAR from matching monochrome film in tonal response and
> > > dynamic range, make no mistake.
> > >
> > > Enjoy your wonderful, wonderful toys! I sure would like some of your
> > > lenses for my M3... Looking forward to many more images from you with
> > > the MM.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > Dawid
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2012-08-31 at 15:28 -0500, Ken Norton wrote:
> > > > Those are the most film-like digital BW images I've ever seen.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ken Norton
> > > > ken@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > http://www.zone-10.com
> > >
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