Sorry, I also meant to post this link
<http://www.ravnskov.nu/myth8.htm>
Check especially his note #79 which ultimately points to
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1638188?dopt=Abstract>
It points out that the "data" had been "changed" by selective citation.
Non supportive trials (and there were many) are simply ignored.
Shades of Richard Smith's complaints.
Chuck Norcutt
On 9/19/2011 10:43 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
> Your wife is not completely correct. The studies do claim a heart
> attack benefit for middle aged men (only) and for those who have had a
> prior heart attack. However, the benefit is extremely small and one has
> to resort to some statistical trickery to claim that it is statistically
> significant (eg; using a single tailed test when a double tailed test
> should have been used). They also fail to point out that while they
> claim to have delivered a heart attack benefit there is no change in
> overall mortality.
>
> But she is correct for all women of any age and for all men of other
> than middle age. That is, there is no study anywhere the shows that
> women of any age benefit from reduction of cholesterol. Likewise, there
> is no study anywhere that shows a benefit from reduction of cholesterol
> for the elderly, ie; above the age of 60-65. In fact, the available
> studies I'm aware of (Univ. California at San Diego and Univ. of Hawaii,
> Leiden Univ.) show exactly the opposite... the higher your cholesterol
> the longer you live. But Univ. of Hawaii remains at least politically
> correct. The abstract of one of their papers says these results are
> "not understood". But Univ. of Leiden is not so PC.
> "In people older than 85 years, high total cholesterol concentrations
> are associated with longevity owing to lower mortality from cancer and
> infection. The effects of cholesterol-lowering therapy have yet to be
> assessed." See:<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9343498>
>
> The data is out there if you care to look... at studies other than those
> funded/produced by drug companies.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
> On 9/19/2011 9:05 AM, classicvw@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>> Funny thing this Lipitor steamroller. Some medical group actually
>> reccommends that the entire adult population of the US should be
>> taking Lipitor. Listen carefully to those Lipitor commercials. They
>> say it "MAY" help you avoid another heart attack. Don't people who
>> have had a heart attack generally make other lifestyle changes that
>> may help just as much if not more so?
>>
>> Several older relatives of ours have been on Lipitor and have taken
>> themselves off it, after discussions with their physician. All had
>> severe leg and arm pain and most were experiencing falls. I believe
>> most physicians attribute those falls to plain old "old age"
>> arthritis, diabetes, etc. When those relatives came off Lipitor,
>> their balance greatly improved and no one has yet had a fall nor a
>> heart event of any kind.
>>
>> My wife, a nurse, has been saying for a long time that there is no
>> study linking high cholesterol and heart attacks. But she is legally
>> prevented from advising others, not family members, with this info.
>> Some others do ask, but she can't advise them other than to see their
>> doctor.
>>
>> George S.
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>> Now, don't jump off your Lipitor if you've had a heart attack.
>> Studies o show that statin drugs do reduce the incidence of another
>> one. owever, the effect is not very large and you can likely do as
>> well with ietary supplements like fish oil (and others) that are
>> known to reduce nflammation. Statins also reduce inflammation and
>> that may be the echanism. But fish oil is a hell of a lot cheaper
>> and doesn't reduce our body's COQ10 level. You see, there are other
>> things that statins educe besides cholesterol. If you're on statins
>> next time you go to he doc ask him why he hasn't prescribed
>> supplemental COQ10... assuming e knows about it. :-) Chuck Norcutt
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