Hi Chuck,
Apparently the LUG gallery server is down. Others have said so, and I can't
connect to it at this time.
Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower - Jim N.
>I haven't been able to see the new image yet. Firefox tells me
> "The server at gallery.leica-users.org is taking too long to respond."
> It's been that way for about 1/2 hour.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
> On 6/11/2011 7:56 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote:
>> jim - it's only 8 hours after your original posting and you've
>> exchanged a few emails, been Moosified and replaced the original
>> image. Now daylight has reached over here, we're catching up and we
>> seem to have missed it all. :-(
>> Jez, in another universe
>>
>> On 11/06/2011, Jim Nichols<jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Moose,
>>>
>>> I went back to the RAW file and tried my best, within the limits of PS
>>> Elements 6.0, to remove the clipping. I succeeded with the red, but the
>>> blue is still clipped somewhat. However, I don't that is really
>>> noticeable.
>>>
>>> I replaced the original image with the newly reworked image, same link.
>>>
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Mothers+Day+Basket+5+Wks+Later.jpg.html
>>>
>>> I think this is a more natural rendition of the real scene. Even my
>>> wife
>>> agrees!
>>>
>>> Jim Nichols
>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Moose"<olymoose@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion"<olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 11:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Friday Flower - Jim N.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 6/10/2011 5:45 PM, Jim Nichols wrote:
>>>>> The combination of late afternoon sun and the camera's color rendition
>>>>> changed the color slightly. She is probably correct.
>>>>
>>>> Jim, you've been doing a great job lately of avoiding blown highlights
>>>> in
>>>> red and yellow flowers.
>>>>
>>>> What's happened here to make the color go wrong isn't the sun, at least
>>>> not primarily so, nor the camera's inherent
>>>> rendition. Actually, this is a great example for teaching. :-)
>>>>
>>>> It's obvious at first glance that there is something 'off', esp. in the
>>>> flowers. Seems like the colors are lacking snap,
>>>> contrast is low, 'something'. If you look closer at the flowers, esp.
>>>> at
>>>> the larger size, there are large areas that are
>>>> all just one color, very unnatural for flowers. Then I hear apparently
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> color is off.
>>>>
>>>> That's all from clipping in one channel, in this case, the most common
>>>> one
>>>>
>>>> for flowers, red. Take a look at the
>>>> histogram.
>>>> <http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/Nichols/Mothers_Day_Basket_5_Wks_Later.htm>
>>>>
>>>> The overall histogram doesn't look too bad, and that can fool you. The
>>>> red
>>>>
>>>> channel is heavily clipped. That means many
>>>> pixels have the same value, 255, for red, while green and blue are
>>>> normal.
>>>>
>>>> What that does is make the red highlights
>>>> less red than they should be, both relative to less bright reds and
>>>> relative to the rest of the image.
>>>>
>>>> It also loses tonal differences in the red highlights, so that the
>>>> natural
>>>>
>>>> variations can turn, as here, into one,
>>>> undifferentiated color.
>>>>
>>>> As a side note, the same thing can affect shadows, giving them a color
>>>> cast that isn't in the subject. Here, the shadows
>>>> may be a little less blue than is accurate. But most people don't
>>>> notice
>>>> that; can you imagine Siddiq suggesting that
>>>> the shadows are off in this image? It looks fine to me, too. We're
>>>> looking
>>>>
>>>> at the flowers, anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Moose
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