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Re: [OM] GF1, M8, OS X and colour spaces -- Help!!!

Subject: Re: [OM] GF1, M8, OS X and colour spaces -- Help!!!
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 13:50:51 -0500
I think you've made an error in your screen captures.  Both images look 
identical to me (including showing the image as a JPEG in both).  I 
think your typing fingers got confused.

Chuck Norcutt


On 2/20/2011 10:53 AM, Carlos J. Santisteban wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Since I'm about to start scanning large batches of negatives&  slides, I'd
> like to get things (as close to) right before it's "too late"...
>
> The facts: I use a Mac Mini (Core2Duo) with PhotoShop CS5 (Academic License)
> and recently updated (very reluctantly, BTW) to OS X 10.5.8 "Leopard" from
> 10.4.11 "Tiger". My display is a LG L1910S, which I like very much.
>
> Since being an Apple user (1995, actually when I started with colour
> displays!) I have calibrated my screens by "eyeballing" them with the
> supplied utilities -- including the old Adobe Gamma many moons ago. My
> workflow may be a bit odd, but so far I have been pleased with the results.
>
> However, since I upgraded to Leopard, I noticed something weird: the pics
> from my Panny GF1 look _too_ dark -- I mean much darker than the camera's
> LCD (which is indeed a very fine screen with notable gamut, looks like a
> small IPS panel). I have just  "resurrected" my old machine (with Tiger) and
> GF1 JPEGs seem to look good right from the start.
>
> You can see a screen capture of my experiments at:
>
> <http://cjss.sytes.net/post/spaces.png>  (992 KiB, profiled for my display)
>
> or
>
> <http://cjss.sytes.net/post/spaces.jpg>  (152 KiB, converted to sRGB)
>
> Both look exactly the same on my screen, but the JPEG version should be
> better on older, non-colour-aware browsers.
>
> 1) The bottom-right window (P1290005.JPG) is the picture file straight from
> the camera... OK, that's a stark contrast, but it definitely looks *dark* --
> that is, darker than the GF1's LCD. Finder previews and info windows look
> dark as well.
>
> 2) The top-right window shows the same file as uploaded (from a Windows PC)
> to FaceBook -- not a photographer's site, I know, but looks equally dark on
> the Safari 5.0.3 browser window.
>
> 3) The top-left window is the _very same_ file again, but uploaded (from my
> own computer) to Flickr, shown again on a Safari 5.0.3 browser window...
> Things are getting funny now, this time it looks *OK*, much like on the
> GF1's LCD, although my LG shows more highlight detail -- a merit of my
> display, anyway.
>
> 4) Finally, the bottom-left picture (P1290005 pro.JPG) is a copy of the file
> open in OS X's Preview app, but after assigning my screen's profile... it
> then looks as it should, the *same* as in Flickr (but I didn't upload the
> *profiled* pic, just the original!)
>
> There's even more "fun" with videos: the GF1 records a JPEG picture of the
> first frame of the video besides the MOV file itself -- I use M-JPEG format,
> suitable for QuickTime. Finder preview shows that JPEG _dark_, while the MOV
> looks great, also while playing it with QuickTime Player...
>
> Then there's the Leica M8 -- no matter how nice it is, its LCD and
> processing engine are rather poor, so no in-camera reliable reference here.
> I shoot exclusively RAW (DNG) with it, which is necessarily linked to
> AdobeRGB space -- not that I'm very keen on it, but never mind. Fortunately,
> this format is natively supported by OS X and even more nicely rendered by
> Adobe Camera Raw 6.3.
>
> Well, these pictures look _gorgeous_ to me -- either in Finder previews or
> developed in ACR. Are these rich, deep colours a byproduct of a "darkish"
> image? I don't know for sure. Anyway, they look just as great when uploaded
> to Flickr. The only problem is when looking at them on an old,
> non-colour-aware browser -- where they show the usual flatness of
> misrendered AdobeRGB files.
>
> Is any owner of a GF1 experiencing something similar? Am I missing
> something? What's your workflow?
>
> And then, what will be the situation with scans from my CanoScan 9950F?
> There's a lot of options out there...
>
> [Mandatory OM content: I'll scan a lot of film taken with OM cameras ;-)]
>
> Thanks to all in advance. Cheers,
-- 
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