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Re: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles inPhotoShop?

Subject: Re: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles inPhotoShop?
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:08:13 -0500
I always say print it just as I give it to you since I prefer to do my 
own color balance and sharpening.  Sometimes it saves money as well. 
But my problem here was that I didn't know how to adjust the image for 
Adorama's printers and paper.  Now I do thanks to Chris.

Chuck Norcutt


Sue Pearce wrote:
> You are a glutton for punishment, if you are doing wet process color prints 
> without a machine. To do good color prints, you need a well regulated 
> process, with regularly replenished tanks, and with regular use of control 
> strips, read and tracked  with the aid of a densitometer.
> 
> I can't imagine how a profile is used, except with laser printers and the 
> like. There are a variety of printers that expose to photo paper, from mini 
> labs to big laser printers. There were even printers that used crt's to 
> expose the paper, and did a really good job. You cant afford one of these 
> for just yourself. A local lab had a big printer that used real lasers. they 
> put a lot of money in it, and discovered that they needed it to run three 
> shifts to break even. They went broke, and a lot of us picked over the 
> bones.
> 
> I've used Adorama and got some really good prints cheap. I let them do final 
> corrections.
> 
> Bill Pearce
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Olympus mail list" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:44 PM
> Subject: [OM] How do I use chemical process print paper profiles 
> inPhotoShop?
> 
> 
>> I recently ordered some 6x9, 8x12 and 10x15 prints from Adorama.  I
>> ordered from Adorama since they were offering some attractive prices.  I
>> also noticed that they were offering profiles for the papers they use.
>> I was particulary interested in the Kodak Endura Luster and Silk papers.
>>  Previously I've only ordered from Miller's Lab or Mpix who manage to
>> produce proper color from my sRGB files regardless of the paper.
>>
>> I downloaded all of Adorama's profiles without giving much thought to
>> how they are to be used.  But when it came time to prepare my order I
>> realized I didn't know how I was supposed to use them in PhotoShop.  I
>> have experience in using custom profiles for my own printer/paper/ink
>> combinations where the profile is essentially an output filter between
>> PhotoShop and my specific printer.  I don't alter the image from what I
>> see on my screen but simply tell PhotoShop to manage the output to the
>> printer using a specific profile.
>>
>> But since I'm not outputting to a printer I suddenly realized that I
>> couldn't simply view in sRGB on my calibrated monitor yet somehow
>> magically produce a custom output form for a specific Kodak paper.
>>
>> So, how is this done?  Do I need to preview the monitor image using the
>> output profile for the paper in question rather than my standard sRGB?
>> Do I need to tweak the colors I see on screen as filtered through the
>> paper profile until they look to my eye like the original sRGB profile?
>>  Or do I need to generate an output file that is filtered through the
>> paper profile in a manner similar to generating the output data that
>> goes to my inkjet printer?  I'm mystified and not a little startled that
>> I don't know how to do this.
>>
>> Anyhow, I ordered my prints from Adorama and got a good price and some
>> nice looking prints... except for the fact that they have a very slight
>> greenish cast.  My wife didn't even notice the green cast so the prints
>> are perfectly usable but I assume that, had I used the proper paper
>> profile that the green cast wouldn't be there.
>>
>> ps:  What's different between Miller's/Mpix and Adorama?  Why doesn't
>> Adorama say just send us sRGB and we'll adjust the color through our
>> profiles based on your paper selection?
>>
>> A more ignorant the I thought
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
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