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Subject: [OM] Re: [ot] alternative fuels
From: Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:27:16 -0700
AG Schnozz wrote:
>>> We are highly mechanized here in Iowa.  We have to.  There isn't
>>> the population base to do it any differently.
>>>       
>> Chicken <==> Egg
>>     
>
> So you want to move here?  
Nope. I'm not sure I've ever been any closer to Iowa than the height of 
a plane. I've been to other Midwestern States. Some wonderful people, 
but I grew up with mountain and ocean and can't imagine being happy 
someplace with neither.

Back in the old days, when Safeway had quite a few small divisions in 
the Western and upper Midwest, they would train ans season specialists 
in thigs like HR, PR, merchandising, etc. by starting them out  in the 
smallest divisions and letting them work their way up. When the 
non-union discounters had driven A&P and Kroger out of Omaha, we tried 
to stick it out, but couldn't. When we gave up and left, the highly 
regarded HR manager was offered a transfer to a larger division.

Although from the NW, he had found his home there, on a ranchette  
running with kids, pigs, chickens, a couple of horses, dogs.... No way 
he was leaving. Different places for different people.
> The agribusiness is a very lean machine and the people load is seasonal.
>
> I work about five miles from what is now, I believe, the world's largest 
> chicken-egg production facility.  
I wasn't really referring to the egg business, but the old question of 
which comes first.

The historical population before mechanization and consolidation was 
much higher than now, as all you folks living among abandoned and dying 
towns know. Mechanization and chemical assistance reduced the number of 
people needed. With no jobs, a great many of them moved away or died off 
and weren't replaced.

It was, in fact, the reluctance of people born and raised in the 
agricultural parts of the Midwest to leave that was a major cause of the 
death of unionized retailers in the area. Too many relatively well 
educated and competent people with good work ethic were willing to work 
at a less than living wage in order to stay where they wanted to live.

The labor shortage for any big ramp up in production/acreage is a direct 
result of prior changes. Should long term economic and ecological 
changes mandate a change to more labor intensive methods, as, for 
example, if the doomsayers are right, oil production plummets and prices 
skyrocket, agricultural commodity prices will go up enough to support 
the wages needed to attract new workers.

Short term, labor supply is probably fairly inelastic, but long term 
quite elastic.

Moose

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