Thanks, Piers.
Winsor
Long Beach, California, USA
On Feb 23, 2005, at 1:51 AM, Piers Hemy wrote:
>
> Winsor, there are ten pages of postings here
> http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/
> remark,12116645~mode=flat~days=9999~st
> art=180
>
> (Otherwise http://tinyurl.com/5lovz)
>
> The following edited post seems to be the most clear-headed and
> plausible:
>
> "Verizon have blocked IP ranges. Any mail server that is using an IP
> address
> in one of the blocked ranges is simply prevented from even reaching the
> Verizon mail servers in the first place.
>
> For example, if I try to make an SMTP connection to the Verizon SMTP
> connection from my servers, the verizon network just ignores the
> connection:
> [root@smtp1 root]# telnet relay.verizon.net 25
> Trying 206.46.170.12...
> telnet: connect to address 206.46.170.12: Connection timed out
>
> The "block" is only on SMTP traffic - I can still ping that server, for
> example:
> [root@smtp1 root]# ping relay.verizon.net
> PING relay.verizon.net (206.46.170.12) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from relay.gte.net (206.46.170.12): icmp_seq=0 ttl=239
> time=130 ms
>
> The evidence is incontrovertible - Verizon simply blacklisted
> significant
> portions of the European IP address space, and then whitelisted some
> of the
> more well known European ISPs. They didn't tell their customers about
> it,
> and, significantly, they didn't tell their "technical support" staff
> about
> it either, so even if customers noticed that e-mail was missing, they
> couldn't get it fixed. And because ordinary customers typically won't
> know
> what the source IP address of the missing e-mail might be, they
> couldn't get
> it fixed, even if they told tech support that they wanted to get
> e-mail from
> "joe.bloe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx", because "somedomain.xy" isn't what's
> blocked, and
> if joe.bloe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx has migrated to superisp.pq, but is still
> using
> his somedomain.xy mail address (perfectly legitimately), then the IP
> addresses of superisp.pq are the ones that must be whitelisted to allow
> legitimate mail through."
>
> I tried to email you mysel;f a month ago, and got a rejection (which
> from
> your message to me yesterday was not your intention). Did you get
> either of
> two direct mails from me over the past 24 hours?
>
> --
> Piers
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> Of Winsor Crosby
> Sent: 22 February 2005 22:19
> To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [OM] Re: (OM) OT OT e-mail problems with Verizon Net
>
>
> I did not find an explanation on your links. Wonder what the problem is
> since I use Verizon?
>
>
>
> Winsor
> Long Beach, California, USA
> On Feb 22, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Brian Swale wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> For some time now I have been totally puzzled by my inability to
>> e-mail
>> people whose ISP is verizon net.
>>
>> In a newsletter I subscribe to (THE OSTG UPDATE February 21, 2005),
>> (newsletters@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
>> http://newsletters.ostg.com/wws/sigrequest/ostg-update
>> comes an explanation.
>>
>> I wonder if other USA ISPs, such as pacbell do the same; now that I
>> see
>> this report, I wouldn't be at all surprised.
>> QUOTE
>> February's Toast to Tech Evil
>> http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/21/1411254&from=rss
>>
>> Steve Mallett writes "In this month's mocking toast To Evil! Danny
>> O'Brien finds evil within Sun's Hotspot Java Machine, Sun's CSL
>> (the
>> other license), and the foolhardiness that is the "secret" email
>> filtering techniques of our ugly American Verizon.net in Europe:
>> "...
>> banning email coming from countries outside the USA. Given that
>> most
>> spam comes from American companies, this sounds a bit like
>> fighting
>> stings by locking yourself in a beehive, and smearing yourself
>> with
>> royal jelly. But mostly, it's odd because eventually those
>> foreigners
>> are going to find someone they *can* communicate with. And once
>> they
>> snap out of that crazy bloo-bloo language they all speak, and talk
>> proper English to a journalist, Word Will Get Out.""
>> ENDQUOTE
>>
>> Brian
>>
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