Don't say NA for North America ?
I just saw the rogers.com which is Canadian.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hudson" <OM4T@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <olympus@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, 02 February, 2005 10:15 AM
Subject: [OM] Re: OT For the 4X4 Listees
>
> Where is "NA" ? Northern Alberta perhaps ..... oops, no comfortable
suburban
> habitats there :[:-)],
>
> jh
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert McFetridge" <rmcfet@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <olympus@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, 02 February, 2005 09:41 AM
> Subject: [OM] Re: OT For the 4X4 Listees
>
>
> >
> > I apologize to those I offended. I did not mean to be unfair or
> > insulting to anyone. I too have owned and driven 4x4's in many parts of
> > the world when I needed one. You are correct that they are not only
> > useful but can increase personal safety in many conditions. However
> > the sensitivity that many SUV owners express is well earned. Here in NA
> > the vast majority are owned by people who rarely drive out of their
> > comfortable suburban habitat except for fun. The increased use of them
> > in this context has added a measureable (10%) increase in the use of
> > fuel in automobiles. They have also been shown to be less safe in these
> > conditions because new/ less experienced drivers treat them like they
> > would a car when they are purpose vehicles. Anyone who has used/uses
> > them properly, appreciates their increased roll risk, greater distance
> > to stop etc inherent in driving one. I currently live about 35km
> > outside of my community and in the winter (we get heavy snows and it
> > easily gets to -30C) one of the greatest hazards I encounter is not
> > poor conditions but rather busy suburbanites racing to and from town in
> > their SUV's (including all wheel vehicles) forgetting that these
> > machines may feel a lot more stable in the snow at speed but that they
> > take just as long to stop. Popular advertizing for them promotes their
> > reckless and inappropriate use on and off road and a wealthy population
> > buys into the myth at a cost to all of us, particularly those who have
> > a legitimate need for them. Its most unfortunate that the rapid
> > increase in the 'misuse ' of a very useful type of vehicle has sparked
> > such a huge negative response to a very useful tool. Perhaps I should
> > have noted that the use of 4x4 instead of SUV indicated that the owner
> > actually lived where he/she needed it. I owned and used my first , a
> > Ford 250, over 30 years ago in the coast mountains. It made a huge
> > difference to the well-being and safety of all of us. I only drive a
> > small car now as thats all I need and mileage is better by a factor of
> > 5. On paved roads safety is the same, unless I get plowed by one of
> > them.
> > Bob
> > On Feb 2, 2005, at 2:20, James N. McBride wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I took it as a nasty dig at anybody who had the audacity to use
> > > four-wheel-drive to go someplace regardless of the circumstances.
> > > There have
> > > been many of those comments. Just because some of us live in the
> > > mountains
> > > does not mean we should be deprived of useful transportation. We all
> > > have
> > > different needs but some do not seem to recognize that. /jmac
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx]On
> > > Behalf Of Chris Barker
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:43 PM
> > > To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [OM] Re: OT For the 4X4 Listees
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > I took it as a light-hearted comment (using skis instead of a motor
> > > vehicle). And Robert did not suggest closing roads. I suppose he
was
> > > merely questioning the automatic reliance on a machine when there are
> > > other more eco-friendly methods of transport available for short
> > > distances.
> > >
> > > Global warming has come to the UK and we don't get snow where I live
> > > (:-(), but if there were as much as that I might have kept my rather
> > > expensive ML270 diesel 4 x 4. As it is, I have been able to dump it
> > > for a much more reliable little BMW 320d, saving myself money for
> > > diesel and the world its fossil fuels ...
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > On 1 Feb 2005, at 21:58, James N. McBride wrote:
> > >
> > >> If we abandoned all roads every time there was a little snow, life
> > >> would
> > >> come to a screeching halt. To not use "your" road because it might
> > >> disturb
> > >> the snow is nonsense. It was a totally lame comment especially since
> > >> the
> > >> responder had no knowledge of the situation. Perhaps he can ski or
> > >> snowshoe
> > >> without making a mark but I doubt it. He can also perhaps walk on
> > >> water.
> > >> Some roads should be left undisturbed in wet or snowy weather. The
> > >> decision
> > >> should be based on meaningful criteria by knowledgeable people
though.
> > >> /jmac
> > >>
> > >
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