If I were on a plane, I wouldn't appreciate a few holes thru the fuselage
and control cables and such. Mace or Taser seems more practical.
BTW, after 9/11, one pilot asked all passengers to throw stuff at the face
of any highjackers, and then to take the hijackers down with blankets and
weight. In yesterday's shooting in Israel at the bat mitzvah, the crowd
took that advice, fighting back despite the automatic weapon of the
shooter. We're all growing more courageous. Hiding under the bed or seat
doesn't work anymore.
Tom
On Saturday, January 19, 2002 at 3:38, Jim Johnson
<olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote re "Re: [OM] Film Xrays at airports etc" saying:
> I'll toss in a couple of cents worth on this. I carry a gun on my job every
> day, have arrest powers, and work on occasion in uniform behind the wheel of
> a cruiser. I never really thought that having a gun on board an airliner
> would be that useful or smart. If I had to choose a weapon for such close
> quarters it would probably be a can of foaming mace and a straight baton. A
> set of cuffs would be useful, too. I see a jet as a kind of cell block with
> wings.
>
> I feel strongly that the FAA and the airlines should be providing real
> security on all flights. We'll probably be fed a feel-good kind of public
> relations campaign instead.
>
> Hmm, a mono-pod might be a handy thing to have on the ol' Lowe Pro....
>
> Jim
>
> >From: ClassicVW@xxxxxxx
> >Reply-To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: Re: [OM] Film Xrays at airports etc
> >Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:39:29 EST
> >
> >Well,
> >Transportation Secretary Mineta said just last night, that they are hiring
> >28,000 new federal employees, most of that number will be Sky Marshalls. He
> >said they got something like 80,000 applications for the job, so they
> >_should_ be able to get enough qualified recruits.
> >
> >One part of President Bush's airline security plan is to allow all police
> >officers in the US to carry their weapons while flying (on vacations, etc).
> >We've had a debate here in the US for several years whether to allow a
> >'national carry bill' to be passed which would allow police to carry their
> >weapons throughout the country. As the laws are now, one can only carry his
> >weapon in the state that he is employed in (plus maybe 3 or 4 other states
> >that allow it). Nothing was ever decided HOW we get our guns to that other
> >state that would allow us to carry. It was always up to the airline pilot
> >to allow it or not on the plane. That was after the police officer went
> >thru several security checks at the terminal, the gate, etc; and several
> >phone calls, I.D. checks, etc. Most had no problem with allowing us to do
> >so, they just wanted to know who actually was carrying on the flight. Very
> >very rarely, I've heard of a captain requiring the officer to leave the
> >weapon in the cockpit during the flight. It was a major pain to bring a
> >weapon, so most of us didn't bother. Plus, when you're going somewhere on
> >vacation, what do you do with the gun when you get to the vacation spot,
> >not to mention while you're, say, on the beach?! If you bring it, you're
> >responsible for it 24 hours. What if you wish to have a few drinks, which
> >people have been known to do while vacationing?? :^) ? And do you trust a
> >hotel's room safe with something like that?
In Texas, you don't need a permit to carry a handgun openly.
But if you bring it into a bar, it's a felony.
> >George S.
> >
> >
> > > >>I've carried on a pocket leatherman in the past, has scissors, small
> > > >>blade, etc. I just threw it in the basket with the coins, and have had
> > > >>no questions asked. I suspect those days are gone.
> > > >
> > > >Yeah - doesn't it make you feel much safer that now, in case there
> > > >happen to be some lunatic religious or other fanatics on a suicide
> > > >mission on your flight, you won't even have a pocket knife to oppose
> > > >them? :-(
> > > >
> > > >Seriously - I've sometimes wondered whether all these security
> > > >measures make sense. Wouldn't it be better, instead of trying to make
> > > >absolutely sure that no weapons, no paper cutters, no nail files, etc.,
> > > >get on board (which, IMHO, is impossible, as recent events have shown),
> > > >to _require_ a certain percentage of the passengers (not anyone, of
> > > >course, but people like active or reserve military, police, or others
> > > >who carry weapons on their jobs or are otherwise licensed to carry,
> > > >some of which are on most flights anyway) to be armed? That would most
> > > >likely have prevented the hijackings and the horrible terror of Sept.
> > > >9.
> > > >
> > > >In that context, it would be no more than an insignificant detail that
> > > >this would also be better for our films.
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