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Re: [OM] 65-200mm or 200mm and Extension Tubes

Subject: Re: [OM] 65-200mm or 200mm and Extension Tubes
From: "Franklin A. Berryman" <rumford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:09:43 -0600
Thanks for the very lucid explanation.  So a 90mm f2.0 Zuiko which goes to 1:2
has 45mm extension (45mm/90mm), with a 25mm extension tube its go to 1:1.3
(45mm+25mm/90mm), and with a 65-116 variable extension tube, it goes from
1.2:1 (65mm+45mm/90mm) to 1.8:1 (116mm+45mm/90mm).  Now, how do I figure out
the magnification ratios for the regular lenses from 135mm up.  The sales info
only give close focusing distances?

Jason E Miller wrote:

> I only read the digests so I hope no one has answered this already...
> One plus of having instant message delivery (e.g. with eGroups) is that
> people could tell if someone else has already responded to a question
> so there won't be 15 identical answers.  Anyway...
>
> I've got the 65-200mm, a 25mm extension tube and the 65-116 tube.  I've
> used them together a few times and had good results.  You can calculate
> the magnifications without actually trying it out though.  The magni-
> fication factor for a lens is just the total amount of extension divided
> by the focal length.  For example, the helicoid in the 50mm f/3.5 provides
> up to 25mm of extension allowing it to go to 1:2.  That's why adding the
> 25mm tube takes it to 1:1 ( (25mm built-in + 25mm tube)/50mm ).  However,
> the minimum magnification is now 1:2 ( (0mm built-in + 25mm tube)/50mm ).
>
> The 65-200mm goes to 1:3 by itself (only at the 200mm length), meaning
> that the lens itself can provide up to 67mm worth of extension.  Now you
> can calculate the magnification factors available:
>
> 65-200 (at 200) w/ 25mm tube:
>      Min: 25/200 => 1:8
>      Max: (67+25)/200 => 1:2.17
>
> 65-200 (at 200) w/ variable tube:
>      Min: 65/200 => 1:3.1
>      Max: (67+116)/200 => 1:1.1
>
> This is all based on formulas but a quick check with my equipment (look
> at a ruler through the viewfinder) shows that these are all approximately
> correct.  In fact, I'd trust the formula since I'm using an OM-10 with
> a stupid 93% viewfinder.  The 65-200mm behaves a little oddly at the 65mm
> end though.  I can't really explain it, but turning the focus ring with
> the variable tube on does not significantly change the magnification.  If
> anything, it decreases the magnification.  Weird.  My best guess is that
> it doesn't truly stay at 65mm.  Just a guess though.  Anyway, empirically,
> it pretty much behaves as if the lens has no built-in extension at 65mm.
> Thus, we get:
>
> 65-200 (at 65) w/ variable tube:
>      Min: 65/65 => 1:1
>      Max: 116/65 => 1.78:1
>
> Jason "new to the list" Miller
>
> >Has anyone had any experience using either a 65-200mm or 200mm lens
> >and either the fixed extension tubes or the 65-116 variable extension
> >tube for close-ups.  Can someone tell me what the magnification range
> >would be with these various options?
>
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